Re: Re[2]: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard

[Gregory John Casamento]

Thom,

By your logic we would have trashed GNUstep-gui and Gorm would never have been 
written since, as I recall, a few years ago you needed to create your GUI's in 
IB and translate them into gmodels.  Sound familiar?

I suggest that we start thinking about constructive ways to update GNUstepWeb 
and even consider creating something akin to WOBuilder in GNUstep.   Given that 
GNUstep has an equivalent to EOBuilder already (In GDL2 there's DBModeller 
which can create eomodels and a palette to integrate them) that is certainly a 
possibility.

Later, GJC
--
Gregory Casamento -- OLC, Inc 
# GNUstep Chief Maintainer

----- Original Message ----
From: Thom Cherryhomes <thom.cherryhomes@gmail.com>
To: ml@orange-concept.com
Cc: Discuss GNUstep <discuss-gnustep@gnu.org>
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 1:22:29 PM
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard


Manuel,

Gee, your responses are one hell of a cop-out.

What about for those of us who don't have an 8 year old copy of
WebObjects 4.5 to start off with? tough shit?

again, tools for your own little world, and I'm of the opinion that
the code should just be removed from the GNUstep tree because of its
sheer uselessness to everyone except a few who have tools that ARE NOT
FREE SOFTWARE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

-Thom


On Nov 23, 2007 1:15 PM, Manuel Guesdon <ml@orange-concept.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 17:42:56 +0000 David Chisnall <theraven@sucs.org>
 wrote:
> DC >| I'm a bit late replying to this, but is GNUstepWeb still alive?
  I've
> DC >| tried to use it a few times, including just now and found:
> DC >|
> DC >| - There is no tutorial at all.  The documentation (and I use
 the term
> DC >| in the loosest possible sense) says 'read the Apple WO4.5
 docs.'
> DC >| Unfortunately, these all talk about using WebObject Builder, a
 GUI
> DC >| tool that doesn't appear to have a GSWeb analogue (maybe there
 is one,
> DC >| but nothing I could find told me about it) and so are
 completely
> DC >| useless.
>
> You're partially right: WO docs are usefull to understand concepts
> but GNUstepWeb is barebone frameworks without WO Builder.
> If you have WO 4.5, you can start playing with WO Builder to begin
 and
> next use GNUstepWeb.
>
> DC >| - The example code is confusing at best.  It does weird things
 like
> DC >| implement classes which contain nothing but methods which do
 nothing
> DC >| except call the superclass implementation.  Presumably this is
 done
> DC >| for a reason, but I have no idea what it could possibly be.
>
> You have 2 examples in GNUstepWeb tree:
> Examples/hello/
> Testing/DynamicElements/
> Examples/WebBookStore1
>
>
> DC >| - The web page hasn't been updated in some years.  Checking
 again now,
> DC >| it appears that the site now redirects to an almost
 content-free page
> DC >| on the GNUstep Wiki.
>
> Yes, David Wetzel submitted me the idea to make gnustepweb.org
 redirecting to it because there was near no content on gnustepweb.org.
> http://www.gnustepweb.org can be restored and author rights given to
 anyone which like to add rticles, documentations,...
>
>
>
> DC >| The documentation for Seaside is pretty lacking, but I could
 make a
> DC >| simple web app using it quite quickly and then play at
 extending it.
> DC >| With GNUstepWeb I simply have no idea where to begin.  Seaside
 also
> DC >| has some really nice integration with Scriptaculous, which
 makes it
> DC >| easy to produce shiny-looking web apps.  Is there any
 equivalent for
> DC >| GSWeb?  I would love to be able to recycle model objects
 written for
> DC >| GNUstep and just bold on a new GUI to turn a desktop app into a
 web
> DC >| app, and this could be a killer app for GNUstep, but after
 reading
> DC >| what passes for documentation with GNUstepWeb I still have no
 idea if
> DC >| this is possible.
>
> I don't know seaside :-)
> On GNUstepWeb, until someone make some docs, the easiest way is
> probably to play with WO Builder 4.x and next to play with gsweb
> examples.
> Anyway, I think the learning time for gsweb+gdl2 is greater than the
 one
> for starting with php/mysql. But, IMHO, audience and  target projects
 are
> not the same.
>
> Manuel
>
>
>
>
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