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Re: Impelmenting NSWindows95InterfaceStyle
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Re: Impelmenting NSWindows95InterfaceStyle |
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Mon, 19 Jan 2009 00:21:04 -0800 (PST) |
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On 19 Jan., 09:15, Richard Frith-Macdonald
<rich...@tiptree.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 19 Jan 2009, at 06:54, h...@computer.org wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 19 Jan., 04:57, Germán Arias <ger...@xelalug.org> wrote:
> >> Hi, after inspect the source of NSMenu.m and others files. I think
> >> that
> >> I can try to implement the option NSWindows95InterfaceStyle. I have
> >> one
> >> idea to do that, and I want know what do you think about this.
>
> >> Well, I think that the most easy and elegant way to implement this is
> >> make a new window with the horizontal menu and with a standard
> >> toolbar.
> >> In others words, don't put the menu in an app's window. Instead this,
> >> make a new window (main window) to set the horizontal menu. For
> >> example,
> >> if an app is like this
>
> >> _____
> >> |Menu |
> >> | |
> >> | | ____________________________________
> >> | | |___________________________________|
> >> |_____| | |
> >> | |
> >> | |
> >> | |
> >> | App's window |
> >> | |
> >> | |
> >> | |
> >> | |
> >> |___________________________________|
>
> >> After set NSWindows95InterfaceStyle, the app's look will by like this
>
> >> __________________________
> >> |_Main window_____________|
> >> | <-- Menu -- > |
> >> |_________________________|
> >> | <- a standard |
> >> | toolbar --> |
> >> |_________________________|
>
> >> ________________________________________
> >> |________________________________________|
> >> | |
> >> | |
> >> | |
> >> | |
> >> | App's window |
> >> | |
> >> | |
> >> | |
> >> | |
> >> |________________________________________|
>
> >> To my this is an elegant solution, because make an horizontal menu
> >> and,
> >> at the same time, conserve a distinctive look. In other hand, there
> >> are
> >> many apps that implements that look, familiar to many people. Of
> >> course,
> >> the programmer will by able to set his own toolbar in the main menu.
>
> >> What do you think about this idea?
>
> I don't use mswindows very much, but it does not appear to be the sort
> of behavior you would expect from a windows application.
> I would expect use of NSWindows95InterfaceStyle to produce a menu in
> each windows and remove the main menu:
Same for me.
>
> ie.
> _____
> |Menu |
> | |
> | | ____________________________________
> | | |___________________________________|
> |_____| | |
> -------------------------
> | |
> |-----------------------|
> | |
> | |
> | |
> | |
> | App's window | | Another
> window |
> | |
> | |
> | |
> -------------------------
> | |
> | |
> |___________________________________|
>
> would become
>
> ________________________________________
> |________________________________________|
> | <-- Menu --> |
> -----------------------
> | |
> |----------------------|
> | | | <-- Menu --
> > |
> | |
> | |
> | App's window | | Another
> window |
> | |
> | |
> | |
> ------------------------
> | |
> | |
> |________________________________________|
>
> > I had suggested before (maybe my mail got lost) to implement -
> > [NSWindow setMenu:] so that it simply adds a horizontal menu between
> > the menu title and the window's toolbar.
> > This would allow to add window menus to any application and interface
> > style. And to have different menus for each window
>
> > The only critical aspects I see are
> > * you can't define the menu in Interface Builder
> > * GORM may need an extension
> > * or the application must set up the menu programmatically
> > * the standard Application Menu still appears
>
> I guess I should have commented.
> Yes, to me it sounds like a good idea to use the field in the window
> to hold the menu, and yes the menu should be displayed immediately
> below the title (in the window decoration view. I guess it would be
> nice to allow the application to set this window.
> However, setting NSWindows95InterfaceStyle on the application's main
> menu really ought to cause the menu window to be ordered out, and the
> main menu to be set in any window where we haven't set another menu
> programatically.
Very good comment!
>
> Of course, there are other questions ... presumably any NSPanel (or
> subclass of NSPanel) should probably not get this behavior of having
> the main menu set into it automatically.
> I guess we might have some behavior like:
> [window setMenu: nil] (window gets the main menu in it if
> NSWindows95InterfaceStyle is in use for the main menu, otherwise no
> menu)
> [window setMenu: menu] (window gets some other menu set in it)
> [window setMenu: [NSNull null]]) (window does not display a menu)
>
> So subclasses of NSWindow could control their behavior by having their
> init method set their menu appropriately.
A subclass could also simply block (overwrite) setMenu and
interfaceStyle so the case for setting the menu to NSNull may not be
needed - unless I overlooked something.
Nikolaus
- Re: Impelmenting NSWindows95InterfaceStyle, (continued)
- Re: Impelmenting NSWindows95InterfaceStyle, Riccardo Mottola, 2009/01/20
- Re: Impelmenting NSWindows95InterfaceStyle, David Chisnall, 2009/01/20
- Re: Impelmenting NSWindows95InterfaceStyle, Riccardo Mottola, 2009/01/20
- Re: Impelmenting NSWindows95InterfaceStyle, Robert J. Slover, 2009/01/21
- Re: Impelmenting NSWindows95InterfaceStyle, Nicolas Roard, 2009/01/21
- Re: Impelmenting NSWindows95InterfaceStyle, Germán Arias, 2009/01/21
- Re: Impelmenting NSWindows95InterfaceStyle, Fred Kiefer, 2009/01/22
- Re: Impelmenting NSWindows95InterfaceStyle, Germán Arias, 2009/01/22
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- Re: Impelmenting NSWindows95InterfaceStyle, Richard Frith-Macdonald, 2009/01/20
- Re: Impelmenting NSWindows95InterfaceStyle, SPUeNTRUP - Kai Henningsen, 2009/01/21
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- Re: Impelmenting NSWindows95InterfaceStyle, Gregory John Casamento, 2009/01/19