Re: Notes from GNUstep quarterly meet up...

[Fred Kiefer]

Hi Steven,

great that you volunteer!  Greg already replied with information on the webpage 
part. For gcc things are a bit more complicated. The notes that Greg took leave 
out a bit of the discussion there. The problem is not whether gcc maintainers 
would accept our patches. It is rather that to come up with a solution here we 
all agreed that help from some gcc developers would be required. We don’t know 
whether anybody there is willing to support us. Previous attempts were not very 
promising. What I could do is get you in contact with RMS who offered to help 
to get the necessary people together. I also have some preliminary ideas on how 
to address the issues. Contact me directly if you are interested.

Cheers,
Fred 

> Am 13.08.2021 um 01:57 schrieb Steven R. Baker <steven@stevenrbaker.com>:
> 
> I would like to volunteer to have website tasks assigned to me.  You can be 
> vague and open ended with these.
> 
> I’m also happy to work on the gcc bits but I’ll need a pair or a sherpa on 
> that because though I’d like to work on that, I have very little experience 
> working on compilers. 
> 
>> 12 aug. 2021 kl. 20:38 skrev Gregory Casamento <greg.casamento@gmail.com>:
>> 
>> 
>> Hey guys... I would like to see if we can break out this list into action 
>> items and make some issues and assign them to certain individuals.   This 
>> way we make some progress based on our discussion.
>> 
>> I will take a stab at making a list of action items and post them here.  If 
>> anyone has any feedback, let me know.
>> 
>> Thx, GC
>> 
>> On Sat, Aug 7, 2021 at 12:00 AM Gregory Casamento <greg.casamento@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> The meet up went well.  I REALLY enjoyed meeting everyone and I found the 
>> discussion very interesting and productive.   I took notes during the 
>> meeting.  We did not have an agenda so these points came up naturally.  I 
>> have noted who brought them up.  Riccardo joined later, so I took down his 
>> thoughts.   I am glad we did this and am very much looking forward to the 
>> next time. 
>> 
>> So, for your comment and review here are the notes:
>> 
>> * Website (David Wetzel - DW)
>>     * Need to have the website present a solution for installing GNUstep 
>> quickly.  Make a script…
>>     * tutorials to get from to hello world quickly
>>     * (Riccardo M. - RM) Discuss with Riccardo what changes are needed.
>> * Usability (DW)
>>     * More command line interfaces
>>     * Terminal based environment
>>         * Terminal only based tutorial
>> * GCC vs. LLVM/Clang (DW)
>>     * Clang has an advantage because ObjC is more of a focus
>>     * Fred: Is it possible to get  gcc up to spec? 
>>         * Require time from GS developers?  
>>             * Who should do it?
>>             * Will GCC accept our patches?
>>             * RMS asked, and GCC said they would review our patches with 
>> “kinder” eye.
>>     * Issues with libobjc2 - (RM) - This is a consistent issue on a lot of 
>> platforms.  LLVM/Clang Doesn’t work on ALL platforms.
>>         * Doesn’t work NetBSD
>>         * uses CMAKE, but would be better using STRAIGHT make as CMAKE is 
>> not available or not easy to configure
>> * Cairo - Problems (Fred Kiefer - FK)
>>     * unmaintained — should we move to another library??
>>     * Can we replace the current Cairo with a hw accelerated library? Or any 
>> other commonly used library that is maintained!?
>> * Cocotron (FK)
>>     * Can we use any Cocotron code?
>>     * MIT based.  So we may be able to reuse some of their code or take 
>> ideas from their code.
>> 
>> I will be posting these to the wiki or to the website soon.
>> <image.gif>
>> Yours, GC
>> -- 
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>> 
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