Re: [DotGNU]Microsoft & Mono

[Jeremy Petzold]

yes, and I am sure this is the general feeling on the project, but I have not 
seen it said anywhere, if we can make it so idividuals can create their own 
Databanks on a home server/leased space, then that will give us the most power 
over .NET.

remember, the bad thing about passport is that the Authorization and Data are 
bundled, one will not function without the other. but, if we make it where the 
Data is stored on any server, even one the local 15 year old can set up for his 
neibors, then have a seperate Auth server sytem that would be managed perhaps 
by some sort of govening body sort of like the W3C is to the web, then people 
would have total control over their information, and all they would need to do 
is to register with the auth server in their area to make thier Databank valid 
for use.

I know that this has been the general feeling from Day one, but I just felt 
that no one had actualy said it in such totality that one could see the big 
picture of how the system is to work.

so, sorry if this is one of those Duh-no-sh*t-stupid sort of thing, but I felt 
the need to say it.

am I wrong in one of these areas?
On Tue, 17 July 2001, Barry Fitzgerald wrote:

> 
> Yes, well...
> 
> We're countering with control and flexibility.  Surely, many users will
> gravitate towards passport, but we may be able to leverage some through
> other areas.  I suspect that the ISP's will be our allies in this
> battle.  And as far as provided services, that's obviously something
> that can't be answered now since the .Net services themselves have not
> been fully defined.  Suffice it to say that we will have different
> concepts at work.  Concepts which we feel are superior.
> 
>     -Barry
> 
> Kent Nguyen wrote:
> > 
> > On Tuesday 17 July 2001 07:05, Barry Fitzgerald wrote:
> > > Kent Nguyen wrote:
> > > > > Even if 63% of all of the web servers out there are apache, these
> > > > > servers - using .Net compatible services - could further leverage
> > > > > Microsoft's position on the desktop by running Microsoft centric
> > > > > architectures over Free Software.  This it why dotGnu is the real
> > > > > danger to Microsoft.  Mono is a necessary component to some extent.
> > > >
> > > > What about Microsoft passport customer based?  Doesn't that attract
> > > > software developer to buy a specialize "security pack" to interoperate
> > > > with passport?
> > > >
> > > > --kent
> > >
> > > Well, I think it's obvious that user marketshare is always an issue when
> > > considering what platform some developers will develop for - as does an
> > > already existing userbase.  These are essentially one and the same.
> > > However, I fail to see your point here.  Yes, their marketshare is a
> > > factor.  So...???
> > 
> > Think about it this way.  Let's say a user have a Microsoft passport.  He
> > uses email with his M$ passport, he uses it to check history of his
> > transactions on ebay, he uses it to view a word, excel, powerpoint 
> > documents,
> > he uses it to view his .NET photo album, he uses it to pay his utility, his
> > electricity, and everything bill, he uses it to play games, he uses to use 
> > MS
> > messenger, and he uses to talk on the Internet.
> > 
> > Once the number of services grow, you won't be able to get people to change
> > their "identity".  The services they use define them.  The user has no
> > incentive to switch to dotGNU when the Hailstorm ecosystem have all the
> > services they want.
> > 
> > Let's carry this senerio further.  The user will want to share documents to
> > his friends.  In order for his friends to view the document in .NET Word, he
> > needs to setup a M$ passport.  This friend sends the document to another
> > friend, who will have to setup an M$ passport to view a .NET Word document,
> > and so on.  It becomes viral.  This is worse than attaching a simple message
> > of every outgoing email from a hotmail account saying "FREE private email at
> > www.hotmail.com".
> > 
> > The Hailstorm ecosystem is like a virus, it will grow exponentially.
> > 
> > My question is how is dotGNU going to convince users to use its system?  
> > What
> > is the incentive for user to use dotGNU?  Is there a service available in 
> > the
> > dotGNU environment that they need?
> > 
> > Here's another situation.  Let's say I'm Microsoft.  First I would encourage
> > as many third parties develop on my .NET platform.  At first I won't compete
> > against them.  I will help those third party developer out.  Then as more 
> > and
> > more developers become entrench.  I'll just start bundling my service
> > together.  One by one, I will slowly kill off the third party developer and
> > monopolize the web service industry.  I use this same tactic to dominate the
> > desktop market.
> > 
> > --kent
> > 
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Regards,

Jeremy
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