Re: emacs-29 b44a7ff85dc: Allow 'icon-title-format' to have the value t

[Óscar Fuentes]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> They didn't need to do anything, because icon-frame-title was
>> ineffective and Emacs used frame-title-format when minimized too.
>
> They don't need to do anything now, either, because the default value
> of icon-frame-title is a string whose text is identical to that of
> frame-title-format.

If the user's config sets frame-title-format, after upgrading to 29 the
title will be something else when the frame is minimized.

>> > If the desktop doesn't behave like KDE, users could simply set both
>> > formats to two identical strings.  The only reason to force Emacs to
>> > use the _same_ string (which can only be done internally) is that
>> > those desktops misbehave.
>> 
>> The reason to force Emacs to use the same string is to behave as most
>> users expect, and to avoid hard-to-detect breakage on desktop automation
>> setups that depend on the title of the window.
>> 
>> That was explained in #61496. No need to rehash the discussion here.
>> 
>> > So I don't see why we should remove the explanation.
>> >
>> >> OTOH, maybe we could explain that icon-frame-title it is effective
>> >> in cases where the user does not explicitly iconify the frame, as
>> >> when he moves to another virtual desktop.
>> >
>> > Sorry, I don't think I understand what you mean here.
>> 
>> Again, it was explained in #61496.
>
> Look, you started this discussion.  Now it sounds like you don't want
> to continue it.  Neither do I, as a matter of fact.  I see no need to
> change anything in the documentation of these features.

I was just trying to point some totally unnecesary and potentially
misleading text in the documentation:

> +This is useful with some window managers and desktop environments
> +which treat changes in frame's title as requests to raise the frame
> +and/or give it input focus.

I discovered that bug on KDE, I analyzed it, I reported it [1]. It is a
bug specific of KDE and Emacs has nothing to do with it. There is
nothing on the change to icon-frame-title that makes it a workaround for
that bug. I don't understand why we have to discuss this, even less go
back to a tangentially related topic that was already discussed and
closed (#61496).

1. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=465530