Re: [gNewSense-users] Just some things I'd like to say....

[Chris Andrew]

I've been trying to resist leaving the list, as it's useful to see how
the progress is going, but I have to agree with Kevin, the list is
mostly full of _noise_, of which a very small percentage is actually
useful to moving Gobuntu forward (In my honest opinion).

I will not be adding any more to this line of discussion (honestly).

Thanks,

Chris.

On 16/10/2007, Kevin Dean <address@hidden> wrote:
> I have to say that I disagree with Mark almost 100%. Yes, it's a
> -devel list, but frankly the idea of "You can only help the distro if
> you submit patches" is kind of stupid, I think. Once again it proves
> why I consider gNewSense to be a superior system - you've got people
> who have the programming skill of a poddle checking the copyrights,
> raising bugs and making gNewSense more freedom respecting.
>
> Old school Debian, which Mark is familiar with, put a lot of emphasis
> on "Developers" (which is what -devel) means. It wasn't until the
> recent Project Leaders did "Developer" mean "Art Team" and
> "Documentation Team".
>
> Development is influencing the direction of the project and in that
> regard Mark is wrong when he believes that those discussion are out of
> place on the -devel list.
>
> That said, I've already left the Gobuntu-devel list because of those
> eternal flamewars on patents. :P
>
> On 10/16/07, Chris Andrew <address@hidden> wrote:
> > Justin,
> >
> > Thanks for those words.  With regard to PFV being a bottleneck, I'm
> > not suggesting that things can't move forward without us getting
> > everything checked, I'm just saying that unless we have a distro that
> > has checked software, then the best we can say is _Well it's sort of
> > free_.
> >
> > What I mean is that it would be silly to rush out another release,
> > without having a good go at the PFV stuff.  Developer time as you
> > correctly stated, is a commodity.
> >
> > From a personal perspective, I'd like gNS to be released regularly,
> > because I like new (but stable) software, as much as anyone.  Lee and
> > I are doing the best we can to progress the PFV work, and we have a
> > good following that are pushing forward.  gNS is in good shape at the
> > moment, and we seem a happy bunch.  That's good :-).
> >
> > I won't say any more on this, otherwise the list will end up like Gobuntu's.
> >
> > Bottom-line:  Keep-up the good work, everyone.  We are heading in the
> > right direction, and seem to have some firm guidelines to work to.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Chris.
> >
> > On 16/10/2007, Justin Baugh <address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > Folks, this is a -devel list, primarily for discussion of work that 
> > > > people
> > > > are actually doing on Gobuntu. Most of the traffic so far as been "what 
> > > > we
> > > > want from Gobuntu" not "what we will put into Gobuntu". Please don't use
> > > > this list as a forum for demands about your ideal platform - use it to
> > > > discuss the work you are willing to put into bringing Gobuntu more into
> > > > line with that ideal.
> > > > Gobuntu exists as a forum for action - it will only be as good as the
> > > > effort that goes into it. Colin, Evan, Daniel Holbach and others will 
> > > > help
> > > > anyone who wants to put time and effort into Gobuntu achieve that goal.
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > > EXCUSE ME?!
> > > >
> > > > Is he saying that, of all the feedback and ideas on how to make Gobuntu
> > > > more free he is acturaly telling us to basicaly shut up?!
> > >
> > > You missed his point entirely.
> > >
> > > What Shuttleworth is saying is that much like on this mailing list, there
> > > are lots of people occasionally clamoring for a feature or something they
> > > want - but want someone else to do it for them. Very rarely on this list
> > > (*please* correct me if I am wrong) do you see someone propose a feature
> > > that they actually implement themselves. PFV is the only exception of
> > > something that lots of people are helping with (btw Chris, as a sidenote,
> > > I disagree entirely that the bottleneck for having a updated gNS release
> > > is PFV. It would seem to be instead exclusively related to available
> > > developer time).
> > >
> > > He's basically saying that people making endless requests is unhelpful.
> > > And you know what? He's right. It's far more helpful for someone to
> > > discuss what work they can actually do to achieve a goal rather than to
> > > just clamor for the goal over and over again. He's not telling people to
> > > shut up - rather, to put up. gNS should illustrate that making a totally
> > > free OS is not an easy task, and not to be taken lightly. Action is worth
> > > ten thousand words.
> > >
> > > I don't think his response is so horrible, personally. I'm more than happy
> > > to entertain a discussion of why it is, however.
> > >
> > > -Justin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> > http://www.getgnulinux.org/
> >
> > A great GNU/Linux distro:
> >
> > http://wiki.gnewsense.org/
> >
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A great GNU/Linux distro:

http://wiki.gnewsense.org/