Re: [H-source-users] h-client maintenance

[Yuchen Pei]

On 12 June 2022 01:16:37 GMT+10:00, bill-auger <bill-auger@peers.community> 
wrote:
>as a reminder, the last discussion there was regarding the
>client, ended with the decision to merge the h-source and
>h-client teams 

Link to the discussion?


>
>there was a ticket opened last week, suggesting to delete the
>h-client savannah project, probably because the OP read the

Link to the ticket?

>mailing list discussions - there is already a ticket for that
>with the savannah admins - it was left pending, until the
>project admin gave approval; 

Yeah I remember that ticket.

> but as far as i know, that did not
>happen either

It happened not long ago (a couple weeks maybe?), though not in the public.

>  - now i see that yuchen has been made admin of the
>h-client project; and is suggesting to do the opposite, to keep
>the client code on savannah and as a separate project, and has
>assigned a new member to that team
>
>new people wanting to join the team is great - i suggested to
>apteryx last week, to consider joining the team; but i really
>must object to these happenings without discussion
>
>i dont remember any discussion that yuchen would be admin of the
>server project either - the only public discussion WRT project
>management was in 2019, when damien and i joined the project to
>revive it, as the only active members at the time - damien
>agreed to maintain the server, and i agreed to maintain the
>client; and antonio gave his approval on the mailing list
>
>then last year, yuchen joined for an intern stint with the FSF,

Not true, I've never been an intern with the fsf.

>to help damien port the server to PHP7 

My role with the server has been admin from day one, and it was not temporary. 
Porting to php7 was an initial task that Damien did most of the initial work.

So these are some of the facts IIRC. Clarifying the context takes more time. I 
will also ask the fsf tech team for advice.

> - at the time, i expected
>that to be temporary, as internships usually are; and no one
>expected yuchen to have any involvement with the client, because
>the intern gig was for the server project - i did everything
>possible to the client then, to prepare it for the future; and
>had to shelve it until the server work was completed
>
>then somehow between then and now, yuchen became the maintainer
>of both projects, without ever looking at the client code, and
>after we decided to disband the client project - i am a bit
>confused, to say the least
>
>most of the client concerns were left undecided; and that was
>only because of the plan to merge the two projects - the
>simplest plan was always to leave the organization as it was -
>if we had not intended to merge the two projects, the website
>could have simply been changed to point people to pagure for the
>client code - i was the only one who actually needed to make any
>important decisions about the client project; yet i let it
>remain in this state of indecision, in the spirit of cooperation
>
>in any case, there was no reason for yuchen to want to admin the
>h-client savannah project, which was decided to be closed, there
>was no reason for antonio to put a new maintainer before me, and
>that happened without discussion, contrary to what actually was
>discussed
>
>i am the only person who has touched the h-client in 5 years, i
>am the only one who has been publicly endorsed as its
>maintainer, and i have many hours invested into it - if the
>h-client project is to remain separate, and if anyone besides
>antonio should be its admin, then clearly i should have that
>role - i am probably going to need it in order to sign and
>publish releases anyways, if the project is going to stay on
>savannah
>
>but as the only person working on the code-base and giving
>user-support, i definitely have not consented to using savannah -
>i would prefer not to; because i can not reply to tickets by
>email - pagure has suited my purposes well for years; but i would
>be content with any forge that i do not need a web browser to
>access - if apteryx wants to join the team and do a significant
>amount of the work, then whichever forge we want to use, is still
>negotiable AFAIAC
>


-- 
Best,
Yuchen

Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse my brevity, typos and lack of pgp.