Re: MATE Desktop fails

[Gottfried]

Hi,

thanks for your thoughts.

I would like to stay with GNU Guix if possible,

but it takes a lot of time at the moment,

and I am not pleased with it, because I don’t want to spend all my spare 
time with hacking Guix.

If I manage to install several (may be 3) Desktops
I would be happy, that’s my aim for the moment.

Then I could always switch the desktops and choose the one, which is 
working, in case the others don’t work for my needs.

Then I would be on the save side, to at least be able to work with Guix 
System.

The enlightenment desktop doesn’t work well.
Now the MATE desktop can’t use an additional monitor besides the laptop, 
which I would need.
So I have to install a 3rd desktop, hopefully it will work.

I started to learn Emacs some month ago, but it takes a lot of time, and 
I am not able to use your approach with EXWM because I don’t have the 
time to study computer science/Informatik.

I am using Emacs on a low level, and I started to use org-mode to get a 
certain order with some files.
Of course Emacs is very good and I would like to learn to use it little 
by little.

> Some of us have higher hopes. Personally, I believe Guix has the
> > potential to be the next Debian.

I also share that hope, because Debian works well, I simply left it 
because I want GNU and a rolling release distro.

I would be satisfied if Guix System manages to use some desktops on a 
basic level, simply to use it for the daily needs. I don’t need more. So 
I am learning to be satisfied with the basics.

It would be interesting if the gdm display manager in MATE desktop would 
work, if somebody updates the MATE desktop to the version 1.27 (now 1.24.1).


Kind regards

Gottfried


Am 09.05.23 um 19:07 schrieb Felix Lechner:
> Hi Gottfried,
>
> On Tue, May 9, 2023 at 7:23 AM Gottfried <gottfried@posteo.de> wrote:
> > It seems to me, after using Guix for 1 year, that packages for
> > developers like Emacs are very well maintained.
>
> You are right. For better or for worse, Guix is a speciality distribution.
>
> Some of us have higher hopes. Personally, I believe Guix has the
> potential to be the next Debian.
>
> > But others like the different desktops have constantly problems and you
> > can not use everything on those desktops. only the basics are working.
> > But they don’t work well with all the additional add-ons.
>
> Many Guix folks come from other Linux or BSD distributions. We have
> years of experience fixing our systems. We have high thresholds for
> technical pain. We are zealots.
>
> A user's convenience is usually not a huge factor for us. [1] It puts
> us at odds with nice folks like yourself.
>
> > In other distros like manjaro, endeavour I remember the desktops and
> > they are working well with all the add-ons, but in Guix it is different.
>
> There are many distributions out there. You should pick the one that
> is best for you.
>
> > Probably there is not enough time and interest for the developers of
> > Guix to deal with the desktops. They deal more with the packages for
> > scientific use and not so much with those packages for the daily normal
> > users.
>
> If you are staying with Guix (which I would wholeheartedly encourage)
> you should try to find (or perhaps organize) a group with interests
> similar to yourself. You have to find people with the same goals so
> you can learn and advocate together. Already the Talmud stated right
> in its introduction: "Provide for yourself a teacher and get yourself
> a friend." (Pirkei Avot 1:6) [2]
>
> To you I hope to be a bit of both, but your interest in music and
> other arts surpasses my own. Anyone with interest in MIDI and editing
> music may please speak up!
>
> Kind regards
> Felix
>
> [1] https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=CP8CNp-vksc
> [2] 
> https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/pirkei-avot-ethics-of-the-fathers-3/

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