Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Moving Forward

['smee]

I also have better things to do than continue a discussion which you
have decided to vacate. I considered your points and requested
reasonable proof, which I've seen no mention of aside from your email. 

I'll assume, based on your response, that the links you provided (since
you are vacating the conversation) would not suffice to support what I
understand is your claim. 


On Tue, 2019-09-24 at 12:14 -0400, Deb Nicholson wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 12:03 PM 'smee <overthefalls@opengroupware.ch
> > wrote:
> > Please answer my other questions if you insist there are real
> > people
> > who have had a bad experience with a particular project because of
> > their sex or sexual orientation. Specifics shouldn't be hard to
> > come up
> > with given the strength of your assertion. Please give specifics.
> > Or
> > address any one of my other points instead of setting up a strawman
> > and
> >  knocking it down.
> 
> We've been talking about this topic for a week and many, many links
> have been provided. But once again, here are some links to specifics.
> 
> https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman
> https://medium.com/@selamie/remove-richard-stallman-appendix-a-a7e41e
> 784f88
> https://mjg59.livejournal.com/113408.html
> 
> Because of the antagonistic nature of this thread, I will not add the
> dozens of experiences that have been related to me personally. I'm
> also not interested in discussing the specifics of each of these
> events with you. If a mountain of evidence hasn't convinced you that
> a pattern of behavior exists, then there's nothing I could say to
> change your mind and I have more important things to do today. 
> 
> Best, 
> Deb
> 
> > On Tue, 2019-09-24 at 11:55 -0400, Deb Nicholson wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 10:46 AM 'smee <overthefalls@opengroupwar
> > e.ch
> > > > wrote:
> > > > Quote from you:
> > > > "The outrage (and demand for new leadership) is coming from
> > real
> > > > women
> > > > who
> > > > have tried to participate in free software and been rebuffed by
> > > > sexist
> > > > behavior who felt that perhaps at this moment they might
> > *finally*
> > > > be
> > > > heard."
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Please give examples giving details of how these people were
> > > > 'rebuffed'. What exactly were they trying to do when they were
> > > > rebuffed? 
> > > > 
> > > > Serious question. Were they submitting code? Were they doing QA
> > > > work?
> > > > Which project rebuffed them and what was the reason given?
> > > > 
> > > > I think most projects (especially those conscientious enough to
> > be
> > > > in
> > > > the free software movement) would be happy to have
> > contributions
> > > > from
> > > > anyone and don't go out of their way to even find out the sex
> > of
> > > > contributors, much less 'rebuff' them for being a particular
> > sex.
> > > > And, the funny thing is, these contributors could fork the
> > code,
> > > > call
> > > > out the sexism, and basically take over the code of any project
> > > > they
> > > > were interested in. Anyone in free software knows this, it
> > gives a
> > > > peaceful solution to these type of situations. 
> > > > 
> > > > Why attack the FSF and RMS? 
> > > 
> > > I have not attacked the FSF. 
> > >  
> > > > Epstein is the horrible piece of trash (as well as all of his
> > > > associates) that committed the worst atrocities we've heard of
> > > > recently
> > > > against women. 
> > > > 
> > > > Let's not take attention away from that fact or the fact that
> > he is
> > > > likely still alive, and that Ghislaine Maxwell is still free
> > and,
> > > > seemingly won't ever be charged or even approached about this.
> > She
> > > > is
> > > > trash and shouldn't be allowed to show her face anywhere in the
> > > > world
> > > > again for being his accomplice. 
> > > > 
> > > > Let's keep the spotlight where it belongs (epstein, maxwell,
> > > > everyone
> > > > including judges and politicians who helped him) when it comes
> > to
> > > > all
> > > > the things you're accusing RMS of. Those are the real animals.
> > I'm
> > > > starting to think this whole thing is a distraction from those
> > > > pieces
> > > > of garbage. What do you think people? Don't forget EPSTEIN and
> > > > MAXWELL
> > > > should continue to be the focus until that thing is actually
> > > > resolved. 
> > > > 
> > > > @ Deb Nicholson, I have a number of questions above, if you
> > insist
> > > > on
> > > > your assertion, then provide what I've requested please.  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Tue, 2019-09-24 at 09:13 -0400, Deb Nicholson wrote:
> > > > > The outrage (and demand for new leadership) is coming from
> > real
> > > > women
> > > > > who
> > > > > have tried to participate in free software and been rebuffed
> > by
> > > > > sexist
> > > > > behavior who felt that perhaps at this moment they might
> > > > *finally* be
> > > > > heard.
> > > > 
> >