Re: oldie/newbie convert/fresco question

[jh]

Hello-
Jean, I think you clarified a few things. 1] I don't need online 
connection, 2] that the Fresco button is merely a GUI, 3] you thought I 
was using a terminal which I am not so during the ongoing-forever 
attempt there was no error/message it just ran, 4] Fresco does update 
individual files to newest version but it does not change the 
format/layout that i am familiar with in 2.18 which is very confusing as 
all the latest examples of ly questions are totally foreign to me.
This is the part that where you ask if documentation should be clearer 
is a problem.
The changes of where information goes after 2.18 made/make little sense 
to me as the 2.18 ways worked for a very long time and to change them 
without any ability to understand the why of the change (sometimes that 
explanation was 'better coding' but since I am not a coder doesn't mean 
anything/is not an explanation that tells me the how or why; and perhaps 
means I am not to understand) and after years of using lily it felt like 
I was going to have to start completely over.
Since 2.18 worked fine starting over seemed/seems not an option.  I like 
many am a working composer.  The time I spent learning (still learning) 
how to use the program to do what I wanted to do took a few years and as 
I say I am still learning to do it with the older version.  To get work 
done after the pencil work at an instrument it always was more efficient 
to stay with what I knew, that worked, than to spend time unproductively 
relearning for the same result.
I am going on too long but most of the questions I read about are very 
very technical and not in my range of needs.  So again the urge to 
change is diminished.

Thank you for clarifying the online not online question, I am fearful 
since I will be using the new version that I will not understand the why 
or even the how to layout lily that I will be back with absurdly simple 
questions but also hope this will not be the case.
thanks
Jay

On 2021-08-01 10:28, Jean Abou Samra wrote:
> Hello Jay,
>
> Sorry for the previous message, obviously sent
> by accident!
>
>
> Le 01/08/2021 à 18:10, jh a écrit :
>
>
> > A while back David K kept on trying to get me to update beyond 2.18.2 
> > even though I said I'd failed a number of times and that many of the 
> > changes between these versions seem opaque to me.
>
> Well, what changes between 2.18 and 2.22 seem
> opaque to you? If some entries in the Changes
> document are not understandable by users, that
> should be fixed.
>
> > My main text editor has developed a major crash where it freezes 
> > everything and the creator is unable to fix it.
> > I have rarely used Frescobaldi because generally everything has worked 
> > but when stymied it has helped in the past to find my mistake.
> > So I decided to default to it. Noticed that it has a convert ly tool 
> > tried it.
>
>
> Do note that the convert-ly tool is provided
> by LilyPond and thus dependent on the version
> of LilyPond. Frescobaldi merely gives you a
> GUI button to run it. You could also run it
> using the command line. The Application Usage
> manual explains how to do this.
>
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.23/Documentation/usage/invoking-convert_002dly
>
>
> > This machine is generally not online; the convert tool ran for 4 hours 
> > and nothing changed.  I gave in and went online and the tool does 
> > work.
> >
> > 1] it seems that this will not work if unconnected to the internet.  
> > My notation win10 is not connected for various reasons and just as I 
> > have had issues with updating versions to lily I have even connected 
> > to the internet am unable to update win10 which is fine- sort of.
> > but
> > 2] if convert ly requires internet connection I'm kind of stuck 
> > because win10 did not allow (or didn't tell me how to have two 
> > versions of lily on my machine.  So I downloaded the current version 
> > uninstalled 2.18 and installed the current version 22.something.
> > so
> > Must I be online in order to access my thousand of pieces (my 
> > compositions) written in everything from 1.? and 2.18? to get this to 
> > work or is there more than another way?
>
> convert-ly ships with LilyPond with all conversion rules
> built in and does not access the Net in any way. The
> problem must be elsewhere.
>
> When you say that convert-ly hung, what did it print on
> the command line?
>
>
> > I'm kind of hoping this is the right place to ask this as it is 
> > connected to Frescobaldi but seems to me to be a lily question.
>
> Yes, it is the right place.
>
> Best regards,
> Jean