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Re: Persian music package


From: Kees van den Doel
Subject: Re: Persian music package
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 12:55:04 -0700

Please include the list when replying.
I think this conversation serves no further purpose, so I won't reply anymore.
K

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 12:46 PM Hans Åberg <haberg-1@telia.com> wrote:
It is on stringed instruments one gets the Pythagorean tuning. A flute does not have such relative pitch references.


> On 6 Aug 2021, at 21:41, Kees van den Doel <kvdoel@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Excuse me for being direct, but this is nonsense. It's nice you've read that (outdated) book but I've been actively performing Persian music for decades and I know how we tune. If you want to learn check out my website https://persianney.com.
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> Kees
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> On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 11:47 AM Hans Åberg <haberg-1@telia.com> wrote:
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> > On 6 Aug 2021, at 18:46, Kees van den Doel <kvdoel@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Well I know Persian music very well, and the tuning as-is is perfect, so I'm not sure what we are talking about here.
> > Persian music doesn't "raise by commas". There are no "different tunings", there is the current MIDI tuning which is correct and anything different is wrong.
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> The values you have set are wrong from the theoretical point of view:
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> Persian music uses the Pythagorean tuning of which E53 is a close approximation. The average values that Hormoz Farhat's Dastgah book indicates is a neutral second raised about two commas from the minor second, which is what one typically uses.
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> E53 has a sharp that is 5 commas, but a minor second m = 4 and a major second M = 5, which is what Graham Breed's file regular.ly does.
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> You have merely divided the LilyPond sharp into 5 parts, then using the theoretical comma values indicated above, without adjusting the minor and major seconds, so you land on E60.
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