Re: Tango

[Tom Howard]

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Hi Peter,

On 27/01/2005, at 11:30 PM, Peter Simons wrote:

> Tom Howard writes:
>
> > > > You know that Guido syncs from your cvs to try both
> > > > archives in sync.
> > >
> > > That's bullshit, Tom.
> >
> > Regardless of what you think is motives are you can't
> > logically attack his version of the macros since they
> > originally come from your archive.
>
> I am not attacking Guido, I am attacking you for saying
> something that is obviously bullshit. Not I am speculating
> about Guido's motives, you are. I simply pointed out that
> these motives you assert do not match the facts:

Let me re-phase:  "You know that Guido syncs from your cvs to try keep 
his archive in sync with yours".  It was not my intention to imply that 
he tries to keep yours in sync with his.

> > > Or please explain why none of the macros he has gotten
> > > submitted to his private e-mail address ever showed up
> > > on gnu.org even though he has CVS commit rights here?
> > >
> > > How does that constitute "keeping in synch"?
> >
> > Guido would need to explain this, not I.
>
> In that case, you shouldn't be making assertions about why
> Guido does something or why not.

As above I retract that assertion as I did not intend to assert it.

> > BTW, I've got the latest version of ac-archive from the
> > cvs, I'm ready to merge in the licence changes (as per
> > your specifications). Shall I proceed, or will there be
> > another nasty surprise for me when I go to commit?
>
> Yes, there is another nasty surprise: I have done it
> already.

I have notice some changes, but they are incomplete.  Would you like me 
to complete them or send you a list of  the ones that need updating?  
I'm happy to do either, but I'm not sure if you trust me to do the 
former.

> > > It is perfectly valid according to the license, but it
> > > doesn't mean I have to feel great respect for the people
> > > who do it.
>
> > *sigh*, I don't think I respect your your concept of free
> > software that isn't free.
>
> I'll say more about that in the "license" thread.
>
>
> > > Check out this page: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrite>.
>
> > Excuse me. I do not believe I have attacked you
> > personally.
>
> Of course not. I must have imagined it. I apologize. By the
> way: I've looked at the Automake stuff you've committed in
> ac-archive-build. Holy shit, that is a lot of CRAP. I
> understand you are involved in the Automake project in some
> way? I am really wondering what use these guys have for
> contributions of that spectacularly low quality. I have seen
> monkeys put stuff together that made more sense than these
> commits do.

Just to make things clear, I am not associated with the Automake 
project.  I only say so as to avoid implying that I am, which a lack of 
a response to the above would do.

> Please do NOT take this personally. I really don't mean to
> attack you. I am just voicing my opinion that your work is
> complete and utter crap. If you think I do that because I
> want to attack you personally, then you are unreasonable and
> won't listen to constructive criticism.

If you actually tell me why it's crap, I'll be able to take that it on 
board as constructive criticism as I fail to see anything constructive 
in the above two paragraphs.

> > If you feel I have done so, I apologise in advance and
> > please let me know and point me to the message where it
> > occurred.
>
> It's pretty simple to recognize: Whenever you get the
> impression that I am unfriendly and confrontational in my
> replies, _then_ I have felt personally attacked. With that
> in mind, it should be straight-forward to figure the
> appropriate passages in the recent discussion out.

Judging by that, every time I've voiced my opinion, you have felt 
personally attacked.  Without specifics (i.e. quotes) I'm afraid that I 
don't know how to express my opinions without you feeling it is a 
personal attack.  Guidance on this matter would be appreciated.  What 
is the correct form for voicing an opinion on this mailing list?

Cheers,

Tom Howard
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