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[Advocate Play Ogg] Follow up to Stevey[dot]eu


From: Jon T
Subject: [Advocate Play Ogg] Follow up to Stevey[dot]eu
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:49:14 -0600

To Steve (Stevey[dot]eu),
 
Thank you for your contribution.
 
I would like to add a few items about Ogg.
  • There are several objective tests that can show you that "byte" for "byte" that Ogg outputs superior fidelity to MP3. The best test of course is the listen test. When listening, understand the better the hardware is (headphones, amp., speakers  etc), the more one can hear the superior output of Ogg.
  • I have noticed that there have been several PC games that my kids have installed where I saw .Ogg files being installed. SMART company. This relieves them of any licensing fees for the distribution of their music. I know all of the Lego PC games are like that and a lot more.
  • On the PC level, Ogg can be played on all audio players that I know of. In my opinion, the best, latest of the he Ogg decoders and encoders can be found on the Rarewares Site. http://rarewares.org/ogg.php . It is all free.  
  • On Rarewares, there is this outrageously simple and "cute", Ogg encoder/decoder front end program called oggdropXPd . http://rarewares.org/ogg-oggdropxpd.php .
    There are even versions of it that are customized for 64 bit processing. Adding the support "dlls", adds decoding from other formats which gives oggdropXPd to encode several different formats to Ogg.
  •  When shopping for a portable media player (PMP), MAKE SURE you send the vendor a email or call to marketing asking them if the support Ogg. Do it even if you know they don't and remind them that it is license free. The pressure from Microshaft/Crapple (virtually the same company), to attempt to kill of any open source software would be the reason that they won't have decoders for Ogg and most likely the lossless open source Flac and Ape.  ALWAYS ask when shopping on the web or in retail stores and let it be known that you will not purchase a unit that DOES NOT support the superior open source formats like Ogg, Flac, etc. 
  • There is enormous pressure put on companies to follow the "greedy brick road", and do what Microshaft/Crapple want then to do. For example, to support only the "W" formats and MP3 formats that are customized to include the DRM virus. Fortunately DRM is  dying a slow but steady death. For example, Amazon.com proudly displays that their audio downloads DO NOT contain DRM. All DRM does is hassle the customer and limit exposure of artists.  I have wrote to Amazon about including some superior open source formats to give their customers a choice. 
  • I personally have two Portable Audio Players made by a South Korean company, Cowon/IAudio. I have the IAudio U3 and the rather spectacular Cowon D2.
    Both of these players natively support Ogg and Flac as well as the usual suspects.  Also they can be connect generically to Linux boxes to upload and download their media.
    While Cowon is not sold in retail stores, at lease not in the U.S., the are available from the Cowon web site, Amazon.com, newegg.com (where I have purchased both of my units) and loads of other large online stores.  The D2 is a few years news and blows out audio at 74watts and my little U3's amp outputs at 64watts. My recommendations would be to look at their D2 or their IAudio 7 line. I will plug in my D2 in my standalone, $58 Philips DVD player to play videos, audio and photos. IT can connect to about anything and with its power, it works great on other systems and of course at a personal player. I am sure that there are other Portable Media Players that support open source formats, it is just that overall, I like Cowon the best for audio quality and flexibility. 
  • We CAN create customer pressure to create changes with how we spend out dollars. Make sure you let other vendors know that you want Ogg support . That is on stand alone DVD players as well. 
  • Last little editorial . When encoding my files to Ogg, it is important to understand that Ogg works with quality settings as opposed to how MP3 works with bitrate settings. There are three Quality (or Q) settings that I use. If the source audio is of low fidelity quality, like a podcast and contains speech, OR size of the audio file is of importance, I use Q2.
    If I am posting some music on my web site or for general purpose use, then Q4 is what I would use.
    Most of my encoding is done using Q6. That is what I use the most for music that I listen to on my Cowon portable media players and PC. To be honest, I have not been able to hear the difference between the original source or a lossless format like FLAC while using Q6 and the size of the files come out at a very reasonable size.
Jon

 
 
 

 


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