Re: evangilizing Mac developers

[Aurelien]

Le lundi 22 octobre 2001, à 09:27 PM, Chris B. Vetter a écrit :

> No, because OSX is a UNIX based (ok, Mach + BSD based) OS, kinda
> similar to Linux - but with a consistent GUI. It kind of hides
> access to the system, as does Weendoze.

How does it hide access do the system ? Are *you* a Mac OS X user ? All 
you need to do to have full access is enable the root account. And yes, 
it's true that /usr, /var and several others are not directly visible 
from the Finder. But who cares ? All that matters is that you do have 
access to the whole filesystem from the console, and that's everything 
that matters for the sysadmin.

> Yes, because (the older) MacOS and Weendoze basically are a "take
> a seat, boot up and start working" OSes.

What do *you* want to do with your workstation if its not "take a seat, 
boot up and start working" ??? Can you please make that point clear to 
me ?

> It's the nature of UNIX to be much more complicated - not to you
> as a computer savvy person, but to the regular Joe, who wants to
> do his work, not _administer_ his machine.

What's so intrinsically more complicated with UNIX ? Users, file 
privileges ? These concepts are ones every Mac OS X user is now familiar 
with. No problem. They are familiar with them at their level, the user 
level. And it's Apple who achieved this, the computer-maker for dummies !

> As long as there is no "self-administrating" system, as Weendoze,
> based on UNIX, and as long as there is no constent GUI with all
> kinds of applications, UNIX-based systems will never be in a
> position to replace Weendoze.
> Don't use your perspective, try to imagine yourself as, say, your
> Grandma.

Every single thing you point out here is contradictory to the fact that 
Mac OS X is really a success. It is UNIX, and it is user-friendly !

> > > > I also think that Mac developers could be reluctant to port
> > > > their apps to GNUstep given its dull appearance (compared to
> > > > Aqua, that is).
> > > What's so appealing about that Comic- errr Aqua-Look
> anyway...

Ask your grandma !

> > This kind of comment helps nothing IMHO, I commend any attempt
> > to link resources with other developers, aqua looks very nice
> > though it may not be to everyones taste.
>
> Precisely. That's why I would like to know why Aqua is so
> appealing to some - to me, it just looks like a Comic-book.

No. Aqua is simply light, friendly and refreshing.

> > I think that once GNUstep developers have less pressing issues
> > then maybe they will start looking at giving the option of
> > different themes.
>
> As it stands right now, that would require two sets of themes,
> one for GNUstep, and another for your window manager of choice,
> unless WindowMaker (or another WM) would closely tied to GNUstep.
> Otherwise, you would have (as an example) an Aqua-like theme for
> GNUstep-based applications and a Motif-like theme for your WM...

I was departing from the situation when KDE, GNOME et al. are buried 
altogether ;-)

All I was saying is that, at that moment in time, *step in its cocoa 
version (the one that runs on Mac OS X) will have proved that it has 
succeeded in providing solid user apps. And it'd be sad if then, no one 
will have recognized that, true, the same programs can also run on 
non-proprietary OSes.

That was my point. What is yours ?

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