Re: Menu (Was: Re: Unimplemented AppKit classes)

[Pete French]

> Yes, it is possible to write and then play ... Have you ever tried

Umm, yes - it sounded horrible :-)

> See my previous comments.

Its a difference in philosophy - see also LaTeX vs Word, which is
a far better analogy. Interface Builder just encourages people to put
thought into where precisely the objects should go... when it is the
relationship of those obejcst to each other which is actually important.

Obviosuly I dont advocate writing an interface wiuthout seeing what it
looks like, that would be ridiculous. But is the dragging and shuffling of
items graphicly that I think is a misatke - because most of the time
that isnt theproblem you are truying to fix. If you want all yoru text
fields left aligned then the solution is to represent that cocnept as such
in the file- not to shuuflle them all over so they happen to line up
visually ? Thats completely the antithesis of object orientated programming.

Shifting to using Renaissance is the same sort of shift as going from
a Word processor to using LaTeX. But when you are usedto thinkin about
the contnet rather than the appearance it is a lot faster... and there
are big wins in terms of portability; which is where we came in - the
unportability of IB / Gorm files.

What you really want is a graphical editor for Renaissance files which
allows visuallayout, but using the Renaissance objecst to do it. Then
thats the perfect soution I feel for both parties.

-bat. [an old luddite with a VT100]