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RE: of applications for gnustep...

From: Mondragon, Ian
Subject: RE: of applications for gnustep...
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:23:57 -0500

as someone that's had to deal with objc++ in a realworld setting, i can say
that it can be both very ugly and very troublesome.  sure, there are some
perks to it, but i would only recommend active objc++ development in a
dire-need, last-resort type of situation.  like when people didn't think to
NOT program in C++ in the first place. :-)

- ian

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris B. Vetter [mailto:address@hidden
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:58 AM
To: Philip
Cc: address@hidden
Subject: Re: of applications for gnustep...

On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:32:01 +0200
Philip Mötteli <address@hidden> wrote:

I know, we've been through this before ...

> > It's a marriage
> In my eyes, it's not ieven a marriage. It's just, that you don't need
> a bridge.

Yes, that's true.

However, C++ is an abomination. It's horrible syntax lacks an intuitive
way to use it (call it style, interface, whatever), it lacks a grammar
specifying the language and as a result you can't even tell if a given
line of code is valid...

C++ completely misses the point what OO is all about. Yes, I'm referring
to Alan Kay's legendary comment:

        I invented the term 'object oriented programming' and I can tell
        you I didn't have C++ in mind.

C++ is one big mess of afterthoughts. C++ is evil and should be buried
at midnight under a full moon in an abandoned graveyard. And best be
forgotten as well.

Why I bother?

Yes, Objective-C++ will allow you to use existing libraries and
frameworks like WebCore -- which shouldn't have been written in the
first place (in Objective-C++ that is).

My worst fear is that people starting to program in Objective-C will see
Objective-C++ code and assume that it is valid Objective-C.

I have no problem with mixing Foobar.m and Barfoo.cpp in one project.
However, I do have a problem with Foobar.mm (or whatever today's file
extension for Objective-C++ is).


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