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Re: Cocoa/Windows parallel dvlpmt
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Philip Mötteli |
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Re: Cocoa/Windows parallel dvlpmt |
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Wed, 4 Feb 2004 15:42:40 +0100 |
Am 04.02.2004 um 12:51 schrieb Philippe C.D. Robert:
Philip Mötteli wrote:
You underestimate marketing. A performant marketing can even sell a
product, that is and will never exist. Just think about vapor-ware.
No I don't, I agree with you about the power of marketing.
Of course, it doesn't work with you (though I think you just doesn't
realize). But I'm talking about the masses and not specific
individuals.
Why has the word vapor-ware been created? Because it didn't work?
Unfortunately, as you already mentioned, the GNUstep project is not
very talented when it comes to marketing :-( Any ideas how to change
this?
That's not easy and I do not have the time to develop a marketing
strategy for GS now. I'm not the expert in such things either, though I
ahd some few classes about it.
Additionally, why would a Cocoa developer want to port a GUI app
from Mac OS X to GNUstep if at the end there is no environment in
which the app would be integrated?
Well, I feel a huge interest here in using GNUstep as a porting means.
The problem is, as I already mentionned right in my first posting of
the thread you mentionned, that GS needs to complete the Windows port
as much as possible. That's actually the only frequent complaint I
see. And
Interesting to hear, could you explain this huge interest a little
more?
Have a look at all the people participating in the discussion. You
think, they participate, because they are not interested?
Not to mention all the people, who publically said, they are interested
in a Windows port of GNUstep.
I at least do not see any concrete interest of any Mac OS X developer
to port real apps to GNUstep,
No, they don't want to port to GNUstep!!! They want to port to Windows.
But many of them think, that it's not possible, becaue this Windows
port is not enough complete for them.
Besides, porting alone is not sufficient. In fact the possibility for
a port is just a prerequisite, there must be some potential user base
on the "other platform" in order to justify a porting effort.
Otherwise it just does not make sense to port, it would probably be a
wasted effort.
Wow! You really think so? They do not just port to satisfy their
porting neurosis?
Unfortunately - for most Mac OS X developers - there is no or at
least it seems that there is no such user base (marketing?).
So the interest in a Windows port is pure auto-satisfaction. Aha.
No, in my eyes they say: The porting costs over the long run are too
expensive to be covered by the supplementary revenue. But the moment,
the porting costs are sufficiently low, they will start with it. That's
the reason, why they all have a close eye on the Windows port of GS.
Hoping, that somebody completes it and they – in the ideal case – would
just have to recompile their software and putting it into an installer
package.
What I try to motivate people, is to estimate the porting costs with GS
over the long run and comparing that to the supplementary benefit from
such a port.
I do agree with that. I just don't agree with people complaining and
not wanting to help with one line of code. And I don't think, that
Somestimes it is not possible to contribute code to a project due to
whatever reason. Still it should be OK to give feedback or post to
this list as
Then they shouldn't discourage others.
Re
Phil
- Re: Cocoa/Windows parallel dvlpmt, (continued)
- Re: Cocoa/Windows parallel dvlpmt, Philippe C.D. Robert, 2004/02/04
- Re: Cocoa/Windows parallel dvlpmt, Philip Mötteli, 2004/02/04
- Re: Cocoa/Windows parallel dvlpmt, Allan Odgaard, 2004/02/04
- Re: Cocoa/Windows parallel dvlpmt, Alex Perez, 2004/02/04
- Re: Cocoa/Windows parallel dvlpmt, Philippe C.D. Robert, 2004/02/04
- Re: Cocoa/Windows parallel dvlpmt, Florent Pillet, 2004/02/04
- Re: Cocoa/Windows parallel dvlpmt, Philip Mötteli, 2004/02/04
- Re: Cocoa/Windows parallel dvlpmt,
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- Re: Cocoa/Windows parallel dvlpmt, Chris Hanson, 2004/02/04
- Marketing GNUstep (was: Cocoa/Windows parallel dvlpmt), Sascha Erni, -.rb, 2004/02/04
- Re: Marketing GNUstep (was: Cocoa/Windows parallel dvlpmt), Andreas Höschler, 2004/02/04
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- Re: Marketing GNUstep (was: Cocoa/Windows parallel dvlpmt), MJ Ray, 2004/02/04
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- Re: Cocoa/Windows parallel dvlpmt, Uli Kusterer, 2004/02/03
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- Marketing, was: Cocoa/Windows parallel dvlpmt, MJ Ray, 2004/02/08
- Re: Marketing, was: Cocoa/Windows parallel dvlpmt, Philippe C.D. Robert, 2004/02/09
- Re: Marketing, was: Cocoa/Windows parallel dvlpmt, Brent Fulgham, 2004/02/09
- Re: Marketing, was: Cocoa/Windows parallel dvlpmt, Alex Perez, 2004/02/09
- Re: Marketing, was: Cocoa/Windows parallel dvlpmt, Sascha Erni, -.rb, 2004/02/09