|Subject:||Re: These NeXTbuntu guys|
|Date:||Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:58:35 +0200|
I'm all for cooperation. However, that doesn't mean beginning a dialogue with a gesture of submission. Our intent was not to ignore GNUstep. I agree, our first contact was more like a fender bender. But clearly, GNUstep is not ready for prime time, not after 10 years of hard work and having access to all kinds of legacy code.This is quite incorrect. In fact it depends on what you consider "GNUstep", eg gnustep-base is very read for prime time for a very long time. And in use in realworld enterprise systems.
Not only base! We have a full-featured database application running in a real enterprise (base, gui, back). There are a few issues, but with some patience we have always been able to make a downloaded cvs-tree working reasonably enough for real world business applications. The look & feel was a problem indeed, but with Etoile this issue was addressed nicely and we are confident that this will solve the customer acceptance issue.
However, we are still in the process of assembling a desktop that at least comes close to what can be found on a Mac. Right now we are using Window Maker (has Azalea a dock? If so we never found out how to get it to work), EtoileMenuServer.app and our own Finder.app (GWorkspace does not play nicely with EtoileMenuServer and has no thumbnails in the browser) and thus got an acceptable working environment for the first time. However, there are still (too many) issues.
• If an app hangs Window Maker is dead. No chance to start Terminal.app to kill the application. This is not acceptable. • As far as we know there is no nice GNUstep application yet to kill a bad process (Terminal.app + kill ... is no option for enterprise users) • Although it is said that Copy & Paste (at least for text) works between X-apps and GNUstep apps. I cannot confirm that. My collegue is able to copy from Firefox to TextEdit.app, I am not (on the same machine). We have not yet found out why. So I can't confirm that this works generally. It would be nice to have a GNUstep based browser (better integration) but I see that this is a major task
How much work would it be to write a GNUstep wrapper for Firefox (Objective-C++)?
so I think one could live with this one alien (next to Star Office) for a while if at least copy & paste between Firefox, Star Office and GNUstep apps really worked (please let me know what I could try to get this working on my account).
I am swapping out the rest of my thoughts in a separate mail [GNUstep (desktop) for enterprises].
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