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Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard


From: Stefan Bidigaray
Subject: Re: Objective-C 2.0 and other new features in Leopard
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:41:47 -0500

On Nov 11, 2007 9:31 AM, David Chisnall <address@hidden> wrote:
The web site is terrible.  Really, really, appallingly bad.  Compare
the following two links:

http://web.archive.org/web/20040110101954/http://www.gnustep.org/index.html

http://www.gnustep.org/

Wow, I've only used GNUstep for less than 2 years, so I had never seen the older site.  Why was it ever changed?

There is almost nothing on the second to indicate that anything has
happened to the project in the last three years.  The page has big
links to Startup, Gorm and ProjectCenter on the front page, but what
are these things?  Sure, regular GNUstep users will know, but regular
GNUstep users are not the people the front page of the site should be
aimed at.  There is nothing at all on the current front page saying
that the last release was less than a week ago.  There is nothing
saying what applications have been recently released or updated.  Give
some hints that the project is not dead, please.

Adding to this, the home page still says: "Plan on coming to FOSDEM 2007 in February."

A slogan might help, but I'm not convinced that it will make any
difference unless it's combined with a new attitude to the web site.

Oh yeah, I hope we didn't loose site of this.  By itself a slogan will do absolutely nothing.  Like I said before, a slogan is just a marketing ploy, there needs to be substance behind it.

Nicolas mentioned the amount of energy we're putting into even selecting a slogan, I think this is so because of the way it was brought up and is being discussed... lumped in with a bunch of other things.  I think it's safe to say that most agree that GNUstep needs to change the way it's perceived by the rest of the world.  At this point, it would probably be a good idea to separate all the ideas and discuss them individually (if it's OK with everyone, I'll start separate threads tomorrow outlining what each idea is so that the discussion can be more streamlined).

Stefan
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