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| From: | Gregory Casamento |
| Subject: | Re: Comments on the website from people on twitter... |
| Date: | Thu, 8 Aug 2013 22:19:26 -0400 |
Austin,Would a script that downloads and installs all of the dependencies help any at all? There really aren't that many. Typically getting it to work is simply a matter of installing all of the dependencies and building from source.I've been developing on GNUstep for many years and it's never been a matter of editing a configuration file in order to get anything to work.The goals of GNUstep are quite clear. Our goal is to create an API which is a clone of the latest version of Cocoa and to provide the best development environment on as many operating systems as we can.Regarding the "Trying to support everything" question... this is actually not what is time consuming. The problem mainly is that Cocoa is a moving target and it moves quickly. We are 10-20 developers working part time on a project which has no funding and no company which formally backs it. The one thing we do get is a lot of feedback and absolutely no help. So, my suggestion is, if you're interested in making GNUstep easier to use and better on your particular platform, then join us and start doing so.All of that being said I agree with many of your concerns.GregOn Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 10:00 PM, Austin Clow <dr_clow@mac.com> wrote:
What would be great if is I could get GNUstep to just install on FreeBSD following the instructions that are posted on the website.FreeBSDcd /usr/ports/devel/gnustep
make install clean
Has never worked for me, it also suggested to me the first time that I tried installing it was that was all I needed to do. But then I learned about all the dependencies that may or may not be installed by using that command, and then I realized that I may never get it to work. Or something like that. So I stopped. I am sure that there are more on that list that have since no longer been able to work with the instructions because of how new distributions of the OS are configured.20 websites later with various instructions and I still can't get it to work. I am far from a terminal wizard, but there always seems to be a "OH what you need to do is edit the configuration file for q3241q234rqwe on that version of FreeBSD" w.e.I am attracted to the dream of GNUstep, but my dream is clearly not exactly what everyone else is dreaming. I think GNUstep needs some goals and leadership. I know what I would nix first: TRYING TO SUPPORT EVERYTHING and not having the BEST options being default. I mean getting Objective-C 2.0 and Cairo seems like climbing a mountain sometimes. At least it used to… I haven't tried in a while.Binary distributions: A while back, I could not figure out why Ubuntu still had old versions of GNUstep. I had thought somebody upgraded them recently, but when I checked it was not so (at least it appeared not so in PackageManager). So I moved on crying.Good instructions for those who know nothing about Unix/Linux world would improve a lot.On Aug 8, 2013, at 6:50 PM, James Carthew <jcarthew@gmail.com> wrote:I think the biggest problem with gnustep is there's a lot of little programs like talksoup, mpdcon and gsmplayer that are basically abandoned or won't compile properly. It would be nice if these could be gathered up and tested with gnustep to ensure they compile. I've been trying to follow the instructions to compile these applications on a Debian SID system and they just won't compile. This is when I've been checking out the code directly from Savanah or the release tarballs from gnustep.org's website. I'd like to get these little applications compilling, apply the theme engine, and the mac menus, and make some screenshots of a GNUStep desktop in action with as many mods to make it removed from the classic look as possible. This might help to generate some interest.
On 9 August 2013 09:32, Gregory Casamento <greg.casamento@gmail.com> wrote:
Ooops... I thought you were referring to the article on ars. The other one does say what you mentioned. :(GregOn Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Gregory Casamento <greg.casamento@gmail.com> wrote:
I just read the article in English. I believe he removed the claim that GNUstep is not maintained because I don't see it in that version of the article. Still, we must get our website redesigned and updated so it gives a better impression.
On Thursday, August 8, 2013, Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf wrote:"GNUstep is abandoned" seems to be a common misconception. I read this today here: http://www.golem.de/news/darling-mac-os-x-anwendungen-unter-linux-1308-100858.html
The author of that piece (which is mostly a translation of http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/08/os-x-apps-run-on-linux-with-wine-like-emulator-for-mac-software/ ) added only this bit of "information": "Allerdings wird GNUStep kaum noch aktiv gepflegt." which translates to: "however, nowadays GNUstep is barely maintained". I wrote a mail to the author but didn't get a response up to now.
We definitely need to do something about our public reception.
cheers,
Lars
Am 08.08.2013 um 22:58 schrieb Gregory Casamento:
> The comment is typical of those I see on a daily basis on twitter...
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> He began by saying the site makes the project look abandoned. I asked what he thought could be improved... his responses are below.
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> Keith Smiley @bheron I’d love to help with this if there’s something that needs it.
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> @bheron I also think a nice getting started would help. Jumping into wiki pages can be a bit daunting. Just a 0 to hello world.
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> @bheron I’m glad you’re still working hard. I think the website needs an update. It just looks a little dated the screens as well
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> One of our biggest issues is that people just don't know what we're all about or that we're still around.
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> We have the best framework out there, but if we don't get the word out people just won't use it.
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