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Re: problem of define-minor-mode while bootstrapping


From: Dave Love
Subject: Re: problem of define-minor-mode while bootstrapping
Date: 27 Sep 2002 15:09:44 +0100
User-agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2

Richard Stallman <address@hidden> writes:

> Would you please be more specific?  I have no idea what that refers
> to.  The start of this conversation was a week or more ago, and I
> don't remember it.  What exactly is the RT that we can't D?

What handa's complaining about -- just define the minor mode
defaulting to on as far as I understand it.
> 
>       I don't see
>     a serious problem with such a change since I, for one, wasn't aware
>     there was such code and the minor mode doc explicitly says that
>     setting the variable doesn't take effect.
> 
> Could you show me the specific documentation?  Maybe it needs to be
> fixed.

E.g.:

   unify-8859-on-encoding-mode's value is t

   Documentation:
   Non-nil if Unify-8859-On-Encoding mode is enabled.
   See the command `unify-8859-on-encoding-mode' for a description of this 
minor-mode.
|  Setting this variable directly does not take effect;
|  use either M-x customize or the function `unify-8859-on-encoding-mode'.
  
   You can customize this variable.
  
   Defined in `ucs-tables'.
  
No!

> Could you explain more concretely what it is that you're thinking of
> as a change in Emacs's state?

Specifically minor modes being turned on, hooks being installed &c by
loading files, e.g. via customize-group.

> My memory is saying that this code was
> designed to avoid an unwanted change in Emacs's state.

I don't know what that refers to.




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