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Re: Release plans

From: A Soare
Subject: Re: Release plans
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:37:22 +0200 (CEST)

> A Soare wrote:
> > 
> >> A Soare wrote:
> >>>>     Windows hardly matters anymore.
> >>>>
> >>>>     Windows is not growing much in functionality...
> >>>>
> >>>> Windows is important as a problem as long as it is non-free and
> >>>> considerable numbers of people keep using it.  It is clear that when
> >>>> you say it "hardly matters" you are thinking of some other criterion.
> >>> I have never known in all my life a person using windows that thought to 
> >>> use emacs. All persons that I knew and wanted to (learn lisp)/(use emacs) 
> >>> used linux or MAC OSX.
> >>>
> >>> So a considerable number of peuple use Windows, but (almost) never Emacs 
> >>> in Windows.
> >>
> >> What is your thoughts about that? Is there something to learn from it? 
> >> Is there something to investigate?
> >>
> > 
> > Quite so! Investing energy to develop it under Windows is (almost) loss of 
> > energy!
> Yes, I understood that this is what you meant. But in what way did you 
> reach this conclusion?

By induction. I do not use Windows, and in linux I use emacs for lots of 

> > I know a few cases of _good_ programmers at google, microsoft, etc that 
> > never thought to use emacs.
> > 
> > The reason: Windows has nicer environments to write C++, Delphi, C# etc. 
> > (that is what they told me).
> Then how can it be good to develop Emacs under any operating system?

In Emacs under Linux for Linux!

> > That is what peuple does not like : to make effort to understand something 
> > that they can have without energy.
> Don't you think that those programmers did invest quite a lot of effort 
> in understanding the software they are using now?

Friend and collegueas: yes, they had good marks at the faculty. They deposed 
much effort to learn.

> > Emacs and Linux is used just by peuple that wants to understand how things 
> > work.
> Do you say that there is no use for Emacs?

In windows, yes, that is what I say. In Windows it is completely unuseful.

> > Windows is used by peuple that want to gain money and to arrive quiqkly at 
> > their purpose.
> Do you say that using Emacs makes it take long time to do things?

It takes little time when you have already learned how to use it. The first 
time when you did a thing, you will never choose something different. Here is 
the point: the psychology. Peuple prefers never to make the first effort, and 
they prefer to use something to arrive quickly at the point.

> >>From all my experience (all what I saw), windows interface for emacs is as 
> >>important as the file ./etc/sex.6 in emacs' sources.
> Are you saying that this is the only part of Emacs that we should keep ;-)

Yes, Emacs in Linux is nice.


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