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Re: Release plans

From: Lennart Borgman (gmail)
Subject: Re: Release plans
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:52:59 +0200
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A Soare wrote:
A Soare wrote:
Quite so! Investing energy to develop it under Windows is (almost) loss of 
Yes, I understood that this is what you meant. But in what way did you reach this conclusion?
By induction. I do not use Windows, and in linux I use emacs for lots of 
So you mean that for you personal benefits there is no use in developing Emacs under Windows? ;-)

I do not say that for _my_benefit_. I say that in general almost nobody use 
emacs in windows. There are exceptions, quite so. But I have never seen 

Thanks. So maybe I can say what I wanted to point out: You are exaggerating and extrapolating from personal experiences. That is of course fine sometimes, but not when you want to make conclusions.

I trust you when you say that you have not meat anyone using Emacs on Windows. However I am sure you have read about people doing that. And they all have their own reasons. Would it not be fair to include their reasons before making a conclusion?

Emacs and Linux is used just by peuple that wants to understand how things work.
Do you say that there is no use for Emacs?
In windows, yes, that is what I say. In Windows it is completely unuseful.
Then why is there a use for it under Linux? It seems like you are saying that software under Linux is inferior to the corresponding software under Windows and because of this Emacs can be useful on Linux.

No, there is no contradiction in what I say.

Are you sure? Didn't you say that the developers you know do not use Emacs on Windows because there are better software for their purpose on Windows? And didn't you mean that you trust them?

Why shouldn't we then develop software similar to that they use on Windows? It seems like you are hiding some parts of your answer from me ...

Of course I agree with you about making a better world, but I believe that sound reasoning is part of going forward in that direction.

Windows is used by peuple that want to gain money and to arrive quiqkly at 
their purpose.
Do you say that using Emacs makes it take long time to do things?
It takes little time when you have already learned how to use it.
> The first time when you did a thing, you will never choose something different. > Here is the point: the psychology. Peuple prefers never to make the first effort,
 > and they prefer to use something to arrive quickly at the point.

Can we use that point to do something actively? Can we make Emacs better in a way that it satisfies those people's need? (Still not sacrifiying other things.)

This is like demanding to a cannibal "do you want to become a chretien"?
> Not taking into account a famous tribe of cannibals that died because they
lost their native croyance in cannibalisme, the question whether the user
> want to use emacs does not depend on emacs.
> But on his values in which he is educated.

Don't you just throw away information here?

So my answer is: this is not a question for programmers, but for educators and 

Note: It looks like your mail program does something that Thunderbird does not expect at all. Thunderbird does not wrap the lines when commenting on your text. Do you know the reason? (It takes a lot of time that this does not work.)

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