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Re: [gnugo-devel] Patches for 3.8


From: Daniel Bump
Subject: Re: [gnugo-devel] Patches for 3.8
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:55:18 -0800

A Jacqueline Go that seems vastly stronger than the last time challenged GNU
Go again in the Computer Go ladder, and this time Jacqueline won.

A second game was played with GNU Go's --monte-carlo option, and again
Jacqueline won. The small margin is misleading -- UCT players such as
Jacqueline (and gnugo --monte-carlo) tend to give up points when they
are ahead.

Here are the game records.

Dan

(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[9]KM[7.50]TM[1800]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[DeepGnu]PB[jacqueline]DT[2008-12-22]PC[The KGS Go Server at 
http://www.gokgs.com/]C[dwbump [?\]: Hi
]RE[B+7.50]
;B[dd]BL[1767.642]C[DeepGnu [-\]: GTP Engine for DeepGnu (white): GNU Go 
version 3.7.12
]
;W[cf]WL[1799.826]
;B[fg]BL[1728.746]
;W[dg]WL[1799.478]C[dwbump [?\]: There was an accidental disconnection of 
DeepGNU for some reason - now OK
]
;B[ef]BL[1696.838]
;W[fc]WL[1799.268]
;B[bd]BL[1646.792]
;W[ge]WL[1797.265]
;B[hg]BL[1614.196]
;W[db]WL[1795.444]
;B[ch]BL[1580.897]
;W[dh]WL[1793.063]
;B[bg]BL[1549.79]
;W[bf]WL[1789.583]
;B[di]BL[1508.078]
;W[de]WL[1783.812]
;B[ee]BL[1470.645]
;W[eh]WL[1777.745]
;B[ec]BL[1438.316]
;W[eb]WL[1771.727]
;B[cg]BL[1407.39]
;W[ah]WL[1767.005]
;B[df]BL[1374.208]
;W[ag]WL[1765.21]C[dwbump [?\]: GNU Go is playing at level 12
]
;B[gc]BL[1339.06]
;W[gb]WL[1760.888]
;B[fa]BL[1296.038]
;W[hc]WL[1758.96]
;B[fb]BL[1263.967]
;W[fd]WL[1757.267]
;B[hb]BL[1234.435]
;W[gd]WL[1751.593]C[ibd [12k?\]: what's "deep" about it? just normal gnugo?
]
;B[ga]BL[1205.326]
;W[gc]WL[1749.589]C[dwbump [?\]: it's GNU Go 3.7.12, level 12
]
;B[cb]BL[1177.257]
;W[dc]WL[1747.792]C[dwbump [?\]: so the name is sort of a joke
ibd [12k?\]: OK.
dwbump [?\]: rhymes with deep blue
]
;B[ed]BL[1150.854]
;W[cc]WL[1745.693]C[ibd [12k?\]: yeah.
]
;B[ha]BL[1125.762]
;W[bc]WL[1744.217]
;B[cd]BL[1099.67]
;W[hf]WL[1743.412]C[dwbump [?\]: i think GNU Go 3.8 will be basically 3.7.12
]
;B[bb]BL[1072.555]
;W[ac]WL[1741.04]C[ibd [12k?\]: have you been following the changes?
]
;B[da]BL[1044.255]
;W[ad]WL[1738.212]C[dwbump [?\]: yes
]
;B[ae]BL[1017.868]
;W[be]WL[1737.218]
;B[ea]BL[988.814]
;W[af]WL[1736.09]
;B[ab]BL[961.477]
;W[ae]WL[1735.13]C[ibd [12k?\]: w is ahead one liberty
ibd [12k?\]: I think
dwbump [?\]: black can get 2 eyes
dwbump [?\]: j8
]
;B[ib]BL[931.134]
;W[gg]WL[1731.409]C[ibd [12k?\]: b needs c5?
]
;B[gh]BL[901.342]
;W[gf]WL[1729.155]
;B[fh]BL[872.444]
;W[ei]WL[1728.512]C[ibd [12k?\]: c5 b2 e3 c1 f1 
]
;B[hh]BL[844.689]
;W[fi]WL[1728.309]
;B[ce]BL[819.156]
;W[ci]WL[1728.084]
;B[if]BL[791.9]
;W[eg]WL[1727.869]C[dwbump [?\]: looks like b wins
]
;B[ff]BL[766.66]
;W[gi]WL[1727.613]
;B[ie]BL[742.668]
;W[hi]WL[1727.479]
;B[ic]BL[716.727]
;W[ih]WL[1727.199]C[ibd [12k?\]: nice
]
;B[ca]BL[692.138]
;W[ii]WL[1726.976]
;B[fe]BL[679.177]
;W[bh]WL[1726.822]
;B[hd]BL[665.956]
;W[ig]WL[1726.651]
;B[he]BL[650.755]
;W[]WL[1726.651]
;B[]BL[600.155]TW[bg][cg][ch][ai][bi][di]TB[aa][ba][ia][gb][fc][gc][hc][fd][gd][id][de][ge][gf][hf][gg]C[dwbump
 [?\]: congratulations to jacqueline
jacqueline [?\]: thank you
jacqueline [?\]: in the beginnig it looked so bad
dwbump [?\]: maybe h4 is greedy
jacqueline [?\]: I don't know
jacqueline [?\]: I can't beet Jacqueline Go any more
jacqueline [?\]: Gnu Go neither
dwbump [?\]: b8 is a good move
jacqueline [?\]: what level played gnu go?
dwbump [?\]: Level 12. Gunnar thinks we should have used the Monte Carlo option
dwbump [?\]: which may be stronger
jacqueline [?\]: probably yes
jacqueline [?\]: Jg is a UCT programm
gunnar [?\]: Can't B8 just be answered at A8?
dwbump [?\]: yes, i guess so.
jacqueline [?\]: Jg plays G4 on A8
dwbump [?\]: would jacqueline like to try a game against gnugo's monte carlo 
mode?
dwbump [?\]: i can start that up
jacqueline [?\]: ok
dwbump [?\]: I restarted DeepGNU with --montecarlo
dwbump [?\]: if you make a challenge we can see
dwbump [?\]: (not a ladder game)
jacqueline [?\]: can we switch colors?
dwbump [?\]: I think you can do that from the challenge window
dwbump [?\]: am i right?
jacqueline [?\]: probably, but I cant find that option
dwbump [?\]: does anybody know how?
dwbump [?\]: looks like there is another match
])


(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[9]KM[7.50]TM[1800]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[jacqueline]PB[DeepGnu]DT[2008-12-22]PC[The KGS Go Server at 
http://www.gokgs.com/]C[DeepGnu [-\]: GTP Engine for DeepGnu (black): GNU Go 
version 3.7.12
]RE[W+0.50]
;B[fd]BL[1799.819]C[dwbump [?\]: i had to restart
]
;W[cf]WL[1724.474]
;B[eg]BL[1799.661]
;W[ee]WL[1691.208]
;B[dc]BL[1792.334]
;W[ff]WL[1657.526]
;B[de]BL[1783.125]
;W[df]WL[1625.72]
;B[ef]BL[1773.335]
;W[fe]WL[1592.51]
;B[gg]BL[1763.696]
;W[fg]WL[1560.781]
;B[fh]BL[1754.516]
;W[eh]WL[1528.185]
;B[ei]BL[1744.784]
;W[dh]WL[1496.478]C[dwbump [?\]: this is quite a strange game!
]
;B[ed]BL[1736.868]
;W[hf]WL[1465.01]
;B[gf]BL[1728.419]
;W[ge]WL[1434.643]
;B[he]BL[1720.63]
;W[gd]WL[1405.232]
;B[hg]BL[1712.448]
;W[hd]WL[1375.254]
;B[if]BL[1704.49]
;W[cd]WL[1345.622]
;B[cc]BL[1696.82]
;W[gh]WL[1315.713]
;B[hh]BL[1689.243]
;W[be]WL[1285.706]
;B[gi]BL[1682.286]
;W[bc]WL[1269.056]
;B[dd]BL[1675.643]C[dwbump [?\]: can jacqueline kill it?
]
;W[bb]WL[1251.547]
;B[ce]BL[1669.015]C[gunnar [?\]: Black loses even if the top lives.
]
;W[ae]WL[1218.255]
;B[bd]BL[1662.598]
;W[ad]WL[1187.976]
;B[gc]BL[1656.455]
;W[dg]WL[1151.183]
;B[cb]BL[1650.782]
;W[hc]WL[1117.4]
;B[gb]BL[1644.902]
;W[ba]WL[1088.273]
;B[di]BL[1639.812]
;W[ci]WL[1073.186]C[dwbump [?\]: jacqueline improved a lot
]
;B[fi]BL[1634.754]
;W[ch]WL[1056.461]
;B[ab]BL[1630.283]C[dwbump [?\]: gnu played strangely in the beginning
]
;W[cd]WL[1040.364]
;B[hb]BL[1625.692]
;W[bd]WL[1027.628]
;B[ca]BL[1621.582]
;W[bf]WL[1015.706]
;B[ib]BL[1617.949]
;W[ha]WL[1002.899]
;B[ie]BL[1614.219]C[gunnar [?\]: Already D7 was incoherent. There's a risk it's 
from the 9x9 fuseki database.
]
;W[aa]WL[991.916]
;B[id]BL[1611.034]
;W[ac]WL[979.31]
;B[ic]BL[1607.877]
;W[]WL[962.243]
;B[]BL[1607.877]TW[ab][af][ef][ag][bg][cg][eg][ah][bh][ai][bi]TB[da][ea][fa][ga][ha][ia][db][eb][fb][ec][fc][hf][ig][gh][ih][hi][ii]C[dwbump
 [?\]: jacqueline lost a few point in the endgame
gunnar [?\]: Normal for winning MC programs.
dwbump [?\]: before w was ahead by more
jacqueline [?\]: yes
jacqueline [?\]: last version had mixed in some score orientation
jacqueline [?\]: but it made it weak
dwbump [?\]: congratulations on a big improvement
gunnar [?\]: GNU Go wins more gracefully in MC mode by reverting to normal move 
generation towards the end.
jacqueline [?\]: thank you for playing
jacqueline [?\]: and for programming gnugo
])




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