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Re: Emacs bindings in other programs


From: YSK
Subject: Re: Emacs bindings in other programs
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 03:55:46 -0000
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On Oct 26, 8:29 pm, Xah Lee <address@hidden> wrote:
> On Oct 26, 9:33 am, YSK <address@hidden> wrote:
> «getting all other programs in my Linux PC to work with Emacs
> keybindings (particularly the navigation ones, C-e, C-a, C-n, C-p,
> C-k).»
>
> ouch, i don't think that's a good thing to do, once this subject is
> thought about.
>
> pls see:
>
> · Why Emacs's Keyboard Shortcuts Are 
> Painfulhttp://xahlee.org/emacs/emacs_kb_shortcuts_pain.html

I don't deny emacs pinky is real, but for now it feels less
comfortable for me to hit the cursor keys with my right pinky than the
Ctrl key with my left.  I have tried rebinding my Ctrl to Caps Lock,
but it hasn't stuck. For one thing, I use the C-M-S combination a lot,
and it's harder with the Ctrl key in the Caps Lock position.


>
> it would be better, to design a ergonomic shortcut for cursor
> navigation, then make all your other appl to be like that.

Maybe that would be better, but how would I get all programs to
support those bindings, which is what I ultimately want?

Right now, <soapbox> I know one set of controls very well, and I like
those controls. Emacs is the only tool I know of with extermely
useful, powerful commands that I think should be part of every editing
environment. kill-line, isearch, reverse-isearch, regexp-search, M-\,
C-u C-space.. on and on. Franky, it seems strange to me that these
kinds of features aren't available by default in mature editing-heavy
packages like MS Word or OpenOffice. At least on Windows, through the
good graces of VBacs and XKeymacs, I have some of the Emacs
functionality in Word, Notes, PowerPoint, etc.  </soapbox>

>
> here's my emacs one:
>
> · A Ergonomic Keyboard Shortcut Layout For 
> Emacshttp://xahlee.org/emacs/ergonomic_emacs_keybinding.html
>
> but on your question... if you are on mac os x, it by default supports
> emacs's shortcuts for cursor movement.
>
> And, on os x, you can change it system-wide to other shortcuts by
> using the
> DefaultKeyBinding.dict
>
> see for example:http://xahlee.org/emacs/DefaultKeyBinding.dict
>
> On linux, am not sure xmodmap would do it. But here's my old xmodmap
> for doing dvorak on linux, which i haven't used since 2002.
>
> · Dvorak keymap for 
> xmodmaphttp://xahlee.org/PageTwo_dir/Personal_dir/dvorakKeymap.txt
>
> and on Windows i know at least QuickKeys ...

XKeymacs does a great job of enabling Emacs controls in Windows
generally.

>
>   Xah
>   address@hidden
>  http://xahlee.org/
>
> --------------------------
>
> On Oct 26, 9:33 am, YSK <address@hidden> wrote:
>
> > I apologize in advance if this is deemed off-topic, but I will find
> > people in this newsgroup who share my interest: getting all other
> > programs in my Linux PC to work with Emacs keybindings (particularly
> > the navigation ones, C-e, C-a, C-n, C-p, C-k).
>
> > There is a wonderful Windows tool called XKeymacs that does this for
> > Windows apps, and I have been searching (in vain) for something like
> > that for Linux (or Xorg more generally).  Perhaps someone here will
> > have a xmodmap script to do this, or know some obscure tool/workaround
> > to make it possible. I am aware of the "gtk-key-theme-name = "Emacs""
> > workaround for GTK based apps, but programs where I do lots of editing
> > (like my Java mail client and OpenOffice) do not obey that file.
>
> > I'd appreciate any pointers.
> > Thanks!




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