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Re: A guide on setting up C/C++ development environment for Emacs


From: Jai Dayal
Subject: Re: A guide on setting up C/C++ development environment for Emacs
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 14:15:48 -0400

How is it different? One can't be more of X without resulting in being
partially X. One is either a bigot, or they aren't, so yes, he is saying
scientists are bigoted.

Faith is believing that something is true, regardless of what the evidence
clearly spells out. How is that not idiotic?


On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Marcin Borkowski <address@hidden>
wrote:

> Dnia 2014-08-29, o godz. 13:21:12
> Jai Dayal <address@hidden> napisał(a):
>
> > Okay but why can people make claims like "scientists are bigots" and
> > that sort of thing... i even have someone privately emailing me from
> > here telling me all this stuff about hitler being an atheist and this
> > and that.
>
> OK, being the "someone" mentioned above, let me get a few things
> straight.
>
> 1. AFAIR, no one claimed that "scientists are bigots".  Rusi (who was
> probably the first one to use the word "bigot") wrote then:
>
> > In my experience the scientific types are more bigoted than the
> > religious ones.
>
> This is something *very* different, especially in view of further
> explanations from Rusi.  (An exercise for you: find three important
> differences between what you wrote and what Rusi wrote.)  Please don't
> fight your straw men in public.
>
> 2. Could you please tell me *where* I wrote that Hitler was an
> atheist?  I *did* claim that he was not Christian (in the sense of the
> definition of the word "Christian" *you* have provided, since -
> expecting troubles - I asked you for your definition first), and I
> *could* give some facts supporting this claim.  And indeed I wanted to
> answer your last (off-list) email in private, but seeing that you seem
> to have problems with reading comprehension, I guess that my duty (in
> the sense of http://xkcd.com/386/) is over.
>
> And just in case someone quotes that stupid Godwin's law: I was *not*
> the first one to mention Hitler or Nazis *by name* in the discussion
> (though I was close, I admit). ;-)
>
> 3. It is well possible that I have IQ lower than you etc.  But: jumping
> from a discussion with a couple of (even) idiots to a general
> conclusion like
>
> > Someone of "faith" can
> > never be convinced; faith is idiocy by definition.
>
> is completely unjustified from logical point of view. (And in fact, a
> few thousand of years of history - including more or less famous
> conversions - show that both the claims: "someone of faith can never be
> convinced" and "faith is idiocy by definition" are entirely wrong.)  Not
> to mention offensiveness, which seems to me completely undeserved.
>
> If you want a rational discussion, do not offend people you are talking
> to.  If you just want to have some private war against (any) religion,
> the mailing list about (maybe the only) text editor which is sometimes
> told to have spawned a religion;), may not be the best place, either.
>
> Best regards,
>
> --
> Marcin Borkowski
> http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski
> Adam Mickiewicz University
>
>


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