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Today's Topics:
1. Re and more (Romain GAILLETON)
2. Re: Re and more (Felix Salfelder)
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Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 08:38:50 +0100
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Hi !
First of all Thanks for your previous answers, i will test it as soon
as possible.
Some advised me to let gnucap choose its step size but I would like
to
know how to let it do so because when I don't set the stepsize the
first
time I use the command "tran" it doesn't work saying it misses the
stepsize.
Thanks again.
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1. Re: computing time (al davis)
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Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 22:39:38 -0500
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On Wednesday 02 January 2013, Romain GAILLETON wrote:
Before consider the following questions, you have to know
that we don?t care of the accuracy of the voltage
calculated. We are working on a 110V scheme and we just want
to know if the wire are undervoltage or not (the voltage are
binarize by another application).
I would like to ask the several questions:
1. Which parameters can we use for reduce this computing
time?
The defaults are intended for the usual IC-analog circuits. If
you are doing something different, you may want to change them.
Reltol is relative, so probably ok as is.
abstol, vntol are absolute. You might want tolerances that
might seem big to otherwise ... how about vntol=1 volt? or
more?
Is there feedback in your circuit?
Is it linear except for the switches?
Really a POWER circuit ..
vfloor= 1.f
voltage floor .. try 1 volt?
roundofftol= 100.f
100 femptamps??? try .001 (1 milliamp)
gmin= 1.p
1 picomho, 10^12 ohms.
I get the feeling 100k is big for you .
try gmin=1e-6
short= 10.u reltol= 0.001
abstol= 1.p
controls currents to 1 picoamp .. .001 amps good enough??
vntol= 1.u
controls voltage to 1 microvolt .. 1 volt good enough???
chgtol= 10.f
controls charge to 10 femtocoulombs ..
ignored if you are using Euler.
bypasstol= 0.1 loadtol= 0.1
How aggressive to bypass.
It probably doesn't matter with no semiconductors.
0.1 means 10x tighter than final tolerance.
* iteration limiting and heuristics
.options itl1=100 itl2=50 itl3=6 itl4=20 itl5=0 itl6=5000
itl7=1 itl8=99
These are limits, when to give up. You shouldn't be getting
convergence failures with this circuit. Probably no more than 3
iterations on each step anyway.
itermin=1
Number of extra check iterations to do to insure accuracy, to
protect against false convergence. try itermin=0.
vmax= 5. vmin=-5.
Convergence heuristics .. probably doesn't matter here, but it
is best to make these numbers a little bigger than anything you
expect to see. vmax=150 vmin=-150 ????
dampmax= 1. dampmin= 0.5 dampstrategy=0
These only come in when having trouble converging. Mostly it is
a way of upsetting Newton loops to get out of limit cycles.
dtmin= 1.p
The minimum time step is 1 picosecond.
.001 seconds good enough for you??
dtratio= 1.G trstepgrow= 1.E+99 trstephold= 1.E+99
trstepshrink= 2. trreject= 0.5
trsteporder=3
Adjust stepping based on cubic splines.
probably best left alone.
trstepcoef1= 0.25 trstepcoef2= 0.04166667 trstepcoef3=
0.005208333
these best left alone.
2. Is there an option which would allow Gnucap to
recalculate only the nodes where the voltage have changed?
It sort of does now.
3. Is there an option which could allow us to send to
the output only the nodes which are in a range?
Example: ?print tran v(nodes) ? Which nodes are between 0 to
4000
Node names are strings. Wildcards * and ? are supported. With
clever naming, selection can be very simple.
4. Is the time given by acct the real computing time?
(or the status command)
Yes.
5. Could it be possible to reduce the computing time
under 500ms in your opinion?
don't know ..
but look at what stat tells you ... where is it spending the
time?
add "trace all" to the tran command to see all steps.
add a probe "iter(0)" to show how many iterations on a step.
There is a problem with read-in time in the snapshot. Adding a
feature (in the function "find_looking_out") made it slow. Need
to change the search method. If readin dominates, try an older
version, or comment out the call to find_looking_out, if you
don't need it.
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Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 12:15:52 +0100
From: Felix Salfelder <address@hidden>
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On Mon, Jan 07, 2013 at 08:38:50AM +0100, Romain GAILLETON wrote:
Some advised me to let gnucap choose its step size but I would like
to know how to let it do so because when I don't set the stepsize
the first time I use the command "tran" it doesn't work saying it
misses the stepsize.
Hi Romain.
the stepsize passed to .tran is the printing stepsize. internally
gnucap
computes more steps (all print steps and some more).
to see all computed steps, type
.tran 0 1 .1 trace=a
invoked with
.tran 0 1 1 trace=a
gnucap does not compute extra steps just to print something.
hth
felix
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