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Re: Comfortable Octave usage on Windows
From: |
Tatsuro MATSUOKA |
Subject: |
Re: Comfortable Octave usage on Windows |
Date: |
Fri, 1 May 2009 18:50:27 +0900 (JST) |
Hello
This is just for correction to the previous post.
> Please do hope much to the octave staff without helping their work by
> yourself.
Please do not hope much to the octave staff without helping their work by
yourself.
Regards
Tatsuro
--- Tatsuro MATSUOKA <address@hidden> wrote:
> Hello
>
> --- maiky76 wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> >
> > I see that my pov is not shared by many people but I think that's important
> > to voice it as it is just different and I believe that many engineers like
> > me would share it.
> >
> > Bart said in the first message:
> > “Now... slowly... some of them are trying out Octave on Windows.
> > However, for now, they are not convinced yet... mostly because they
> > are not as geekish as I am and they prefer GUI's instead of
> > command-line interface.”
> >
> > I don’t think I am confusing the discussion by telling my pov.
> >
> > I was trained exclusively on UNIX Silicon Graphic workstation for mechanical
> > calculation ABACUS, Fluent, Sysnoise and I don’t mind Spartan environment
> > when performance is the only focus. I do get that Qtoctave is an empty
> > shell without Octave but for many people octave with no shell is useless,
> > it’s cynical but that’s MY point.
> >
> > As pure speculation, let think if Octave could attract more engineers which
> > represent a much larger population than researchers (who are making their
> > own stuff anyway). The young engineers are now familiar with GPL and respect
> > it. They will contribute to Octave maybe not by designing the engine but
> > certainly by making toolboxes that in return attract more engineers… and
> > will inevitably attract more money. Let’s imagine a large consulting company
> > wanting to switch to Octave for budget reasons and pay the equivalent of 50
> > Matlab licenses (I have no idea how much it would cost but as brilliant
> > amateurs do it shouldn’t be millions of dollars) to make a GUI and then use
> > it as Matlab replacement saving them big money.
> >
> > We are still evaluating Octave but we will certainly give money (equivalent
> > to Matlab licenses) and publish things as the GPL requires.
> >
> > I was impolite in my first post so please receive all my respect for the
> > brilliant job that you all have done.
> >
> > What about car extremely fast but with no steering wheel or brake pedals no
> > seat no body work?
> > Cheers
> > Mickael Lefebvre, MEng, MSc.
> > Acoustic team leader
>
> If you think the above, you should work on GUI for octave for windows.
> If do not like to work on it by yourself, wait when OctaveDE will work
> usefully in the future
> version
> of octave or use GUI skin software to the octave such as QtOctave.
>
> I am not now a maintainer of windows release of octave. However I have worked
> in early stage of
> octave
> for windows version of which to be 3.0.
>
> The persons who are now working on octave on windows are only Michael and
> Benjamin. (In this
> topic,
> octave on cygwin is excluded now because It is unixy so that people who will
> use octave on the
> terminal emulatorlike the rxvt or Emacs mode for Octave like other unix
> users.) It is not still
> easy
> job to build octave on Windows using MinGW GCC complier. The MinGW GCC will
> not give less
> compatible
> environments to Unix than that is giveb by GCC on Cygwin. Some code written
> for octave for
> Unixy
> environment should be rewritten using the windows api functions. Number of
> staff is too small
> to
> give GUI facilities for octave for windows in main octave contributers.
>
> I myself use octave build from source on mingw to use optimized BLAS. In the
> the cygwin, the
> build is
> very easy. However, on mingw, it is not easy task even at present.
>
> Do you say that they should work more hard on the voluntary based job?
>
> Please do hope much to the octave staff without helping their work by
> yourself.
>
> OTOH, I do not have any trouble with from the fact that the octave is console
> software.
> I have a class numerical calculation using octave in chemical engineer course.
>
> I prepare the customized cmd console in which screen size, font, enabling
> 'quick edit mode',
> increased screen buffer are prepared. I made the instruction of the copy and
> paste facilities
> by
> 'quick edit mode' of cmd.exe, auto complete-facilities and command line
> history realized by GNU
> read
> line which is involved in the octave .
> With this instruction, students of my class can use octave without confusions.
>
> I think that console on windows (cmd.exe) is much improved from commad.com on
> the MS-DOS.
> The cmd.exe is useful 'true windows' but not 'DOS' software to use console
> software
> conveniently.
>
> However my instructions on the lecture are written in Japanese. If there
> exist some people hope
> my
> instruction in the class to be translated in English. I willing to do it.
> Of course, perhaps
> you
> aware that my ability of English is poor so that I need someone to help me to
> convert my poor
> English
> to good English. In addition, I have only Japanese version of windows XP so
> that snapshots
> should be
> re-made on the English version of Windows (XP and Vista).
>
> Regards
>
> Tatsuro
>
>
>
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