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Re: convert-ly problem
Re: convert-ly problem
Mon, 01 Aug 2005 01:52:32 +0200
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Laura Conrad wrote:
I don't think that's exactly what I'm asking for. Of course I love
being able to go back to any LaTeX file I or anyone else has ever
written and use it to figure out how to do something this year. But
for lilypond, I'd just like to know that when my code becomes useless
Realized that they were making the change.
Discussed the benefits of the change with someone who
is going to lose by the change.
Done some kind of cost/benefit analysis that says that the
change is worth the problems it will cause.
Right now, I don't see that kind of discussion happening, which
suggests that if it's happening anywhere, it isn't on the
lilypond-user or lilypond-devel lists. And if I'd paid for a feature
that was going to be changed or discontinued, I would certainly want
to be included in such discussions.
Discussing decisions beforehand is a nice democratic tradition, but Lily
is not a democracy. If you disagree with a change, you're welcome to
pose questions, but I am not going to solicit feedback beforehand. As
one of more brilliant math profs explained to me: "if you have a good
idea, just do it. Getting permission beforehand is always more trouble
than apologizing afterwards"
I have the impression that you think that I break stuff just for the
pleasure of it. This is not true. I improve stuff for the pleasure of
it, and I do think about compatibility repercussions, but some things
just have to be fixed, and better be early than late. "Soft healers make
stinking wounds," or so the Dutch saying goes.
To take an example that isn't a major problem for anyone, what led to
the choice of lyrics font in 2.6? Did anyone who actually publishes
vocal music have any input into that selection, what other fonts were
considered, and why was this one decided on? It seems to me that
See my other mail.
there are enough lilypond users affected by this that it should have
been discussed. I know any experienced user who doesn't like it can
probably figure out how to change it to something else, but it is the
public face of what you can do with lilypond, and these hordes of
potential new users you're trying to attract will be making their
decision based on what the default looks like.
Funny that you should mention this. I am not convinced that NCSB is the
best font that we have (there is no bold-condensed version, which is
what I want for lyrics), but I recall we also had several people
applauding the move.
>> If I
>> manage to get a working lilypond development environment again,
>> I'll look at it.
HN> I recommend you to use the autopackages; they're less fuss to
HN> install, and they're made from snapshots that are known to
HN> work - somethign which can't be said of CVS.
I seem to have better luck with CVS. I haven't reported my
autopackage failures because it seemed that other people were
reporting similar problems, but I will if you think you've fixed all
the problems that were reported before yesterday.
there has been a problem with libstdc++ , which has been fixed in the
2.7 AP; I'm going to release a 2.6.2 with the same fix soonish.
>> At the moment, lilypond isn't really promising that, or if it is, it
>> isn't delivering very well.
HN> Also, "At the moment" is a bit of a misnomer if you are
HN> complaining of upgrading out of files which you entered over 4
HN> years ago.
"At the moment" may have been a poor choice of words, but it does seem
that the syntax changes over the last year have been more fundamental
and far-reaching than previous changes. That is, previously, I've had
to deal with issues like "How do I tell lilypond not to automatically
assume melisma in some circumstances?", now I have to deal with "How
do I find the start of the note entry given that there's no longer a
Frankly, I don't understand this remark. We just made the \notes mode
the default, so it is no longer necessary.
Han-Wen Nienhuys - address@hidden - http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanwen
- convert-ly problem, Laura Conrad, 2005/07/21
- Re: convert-ly problem, Erik Sandberg, 2005/07/21
- Re: convert-ly problem, Laura Conrad, 2005/07/25
- Re: convert-ly problem, Erik Sandberg, 2005/07/27
- Re: convert-ly problem, Laura Conrad, 2005/07/27
- Re: convert-ly problem, Graham Percival, 2005/07/27
- Re: convert-ly problem, Laura Conrad, 2005/07/29
- Re: convert-ly problem, Han-Wen Nienhuys, 2005/07/30
- Re: convert-ly problem, Laura Conrad, 2005/07/31
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- Re: convert-ly problem, Han-Wen Nienhuys, 2005/07/28
- Re: convert-ly problem, Erik Sandberg, 2005/07/28