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Re: absolute & relative together
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Reinhold Kainhofer |
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Re: absolute & relative together |
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Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:56:54 +0100 |
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Am Dienstag, 11. März 2008 schrieb David Bobroff:
> Reinhold Kainhofer wrote:
> > If you could describe in a little more detail what you are trying to do
> > (i.e. what are your cue voices, clefs, transposing instruments, etc.), we
> > might be better able to help you come up with the proper solution...
>
> Well, specifically, I'm preparing a transposed, or rather de-transposed,
> tenor tuba part for "Don Quixote" of R. Strauss. The original part is
> in bass clef but in a Bb transposition. I'm keeping it in bass clef but
> transposing it down a step.
By transposing, do you mean transposing the concert pitch so that instead of a
bes and as should sound? Or do you just want to transpose the written pitch
(i.e. to as transposition), leaving the concert pitch the same?
In the latter case, \transposition and a subsequent \transpose is really what
you are looking for.
In the first case, shouldn't also all other instruments (and thus also the cue
notes) be transposed, because otherwise they would not sound well together...
> This is no problem. Furthermore, I'm
> including all the original cues at their original notated pitches. All
> the cues are in a separate definition block.
Excuse me, but I don't really understand this. Aren't cue notes in scores for
transposing instruments also properly transposed? E.g. if you have a score
for an instrument in bes (so what looks like a c is actually a bes) and the
cue instrument plays a (real) c, where will this note be shown in the score
for the Bb instrument? Between the third and fourth line (thus looking like a
bes), or on the fourth line?
You might also take a look at the recent thread:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2008-03/msg00073.html
In my example there, the first line is e.g. violin 1 and plays real c's. The
second line is a transposing instrument in f, also playing c's. In the third
measure, there is a cue note from the violin (a c''). Where do you want this
note to be displayed? Like in the PDF (i,e, at the same staff position as in
the violin score, thus looking like an f to the player of the transposing
instrument) or at the same pitch as the other c''s for the transposing
instrument?
> I ran into a problem when
> I decided it would be interesting to also create a Bb Treble clef
> notated version while at the same time retaining all the original cues
> at their original pitches and clefs.
Doesn't this also include some key changes to make up for the tranposition?
(BTW, are you talking about concert or written pitch?)
Sorry for my ignorance, but I only recently learned about transposing
instruments, when I wrote a score for Corni. There, I printed all cue notes
also transposed, so that the same sounding note in the cue instrument and the
corno score look exactly at the same position.
In particular, in my score
http://www.fam.tuwien.ac.at/~reinhold/temp/Schubert_StabatMater_D383_CorII.pdf
in measure 56 of "Nr.9 Chor" (middle of the second page), the Fag./Tr.3 are
actually notated in bass clef in their scores and play b - a - gis - fis (but
since the score is in e, the cue notes are displayed as g - f - e - d, which
in concert pitch is the correct b-a-gis-fis). Am I wrong here?
Cheers,
Reinhold
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