Re: tunefl and other web services

[Mike Blackstock]

At the risk of 'beating a dead horse' that has nothing to do with Lilypond, but you put some thought into  remarks below and so here's a reply and then can me move on to any feed-back about the online compiler, file-manager and so on? Scantily-clad model on page matter is closed, it was ill-conceived,  pointed out, and she's being removed. After I say bye.

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>At some point of time you need to make up your mind about whether you

>are aiming for a depiction of beauty, or a pretty woman.  The problem is

>not that you are lacking a model, but an artist.

Interesting - 'aiming for a depiction of beauty or a pretty woman' - they're mutually exclusive? I was aiming for a depiction of beauty, and chose a beautiful woman. It could have been a beautiful sunset and why am I even writing this? 

>And your rambling about "my taste in women" makes quite obvious that
>your referencing Aquin is not really much more than name-dropping with
>regard to executing an artistic vision: 

You omitted the reference I made in the very next message - 'all in fun. etc' The 'rambling ' was 'all in fun'. Not meant for a peer-reviewed journal, but a brief comment 'all in fun'.

The quote on the page 'beauty: that which pleases merely by being perceived' is by Thomas Aquinas, hence I called it the 'Aquinas quote'. No name-dropping, simply attributing the quote to its (supposed) author.

>Most pictures of a sunset will do a better job of projecting a concept
>of _beauty_, even sunsets not in Toronto with their own agency. 

Maybe.  I think a pretty woman is more beautiful than a sunset but it's subjective. As for 'own agency' - I merely pointed that out in response to a suggestion that the modelling wasn't professional. It is professional - Samantha is in high demand. This is a dumb point.

>" 'Pretty' is almost a counterthesis to Aquinous "beauty", and that makes
>it quite a challenge to put _this_ artistic vision into being by using a
>human female: while there certainly is some unique potential because of
>the fundamental appeal to a human recipient, this also offers _far_ too
>many possibilities for distracting from the artistic missive to make
>this easy"

The Aquinas definition of 'beauty' is: "that which is pleasing merely by being perceived". I don't know what it means that 'pretty' is a 'counterthesis' to 'beauty', as defined: without a definition of 'pretty'; how can a defined term be a 'counterthesis' to an undefined one?

At any rate. that  a 'human female' - as you put it - has potential for being an object of beauty to a 'human recipient' is something we can agree on. I will leave to others to decode the sub-text in this.

I'm getting bored. Thanks for the comments, and the critique. Critiques are good, and I'm changing the landing page accordingly - as noted in a separate message.

Apologies to those who think this is way off-topic. It is.

-Mike

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 1:07 AM, David Kastrup <address@hidden> wrote:

Mike Blackstock <address@hidden> writes:

> I seem to be relishing in your bluntness - cute - so let me return the
> favor. The women is a top Toronto model with her own agency; I'll take
> her tastes over yours, thanks. What your taste in women is - and who
> knows what*that* is, I shudder to contemplate it  - doesn't concern
> me; ditto with Debian. Stick to judgments about music engraving.

At some point of time you need to make up your mind about whether you
are aiming for a depiction of beauty, or a pretty woman.  The problem is
not that you are lacking a model, but an artist.

And your rambling about "my taste in women" makes quite obvious that
your referencing Aquin is not really much more than name-dropping with
regard to executing an artistic vision:

    In his Summa Theologiae St. Thomas gives three distinguishing
    characteristics of beauty: wholeness or integrity, proportion or
    harmony, and claritas which can be translated splendor, radiance,
    light, brilliance. The chief characteristic is claritas, 'radiance'
    ... beautiful things shine. The beautiful illuminates our
    intellectus with the intuition of understanding. The eyes and ears
    of our soul enable our vision to see the transcendent beauty present
    ontologically in all being.".

Most pictures of a sunset will do a better job of projecting a concept
of _beauty_, even sunsets not in Toronto with their own agency.

"Pretty" is almost a counterthesis to Aquinous "beauty", and that makes
it quite a challenge to put _this_ artistic vision into being by using a
human female: while there certainly is some unique potential because of
the fundamental appeal to a human recipient, this also offers _far_ too
many possibilities for distracting from the artistic missive to make
this easy.

LilyPond's boilerplate slogan is "beautiful typesetting", not "pretty
music".  Did you even bother telling to your model and agency your aim
and artistic vision of showing the overarching of Aquinous beauty, the
resonating of God's presence in the fabric of the world and its human
perception and understanding across musical typesetting and the
appearance of a woman?  If you didn't, _her_ tastes do not even come
into play with regard to the suitability of the result.

--
David Kastrup