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[Axiom-developer] RE: mathaction
[Axiom-developer] RE: mathaction
Sat, 11 Sep 2004 12:23:32 +0000
Bill Page writes:
> I think the new content of
> is "lookin' good". Thanks for all your work.
I'm flattered :-)
> On Friday, September 10, 2004 1:47 PM you wrote:
> > ...
> > One new request: please remove all subpages of SandBox.
> > It seems that I do not have permission to do so.
To make it short: it's OK, leave permissions that way. The only reason to
delete a page is that the navigator doesn't look too good with all the old
links around. I simply removed the content of the "disturbing" pages. I believe
that I moved all the "good" content to the new pages, if something is lost, we
can dig it up from the diffs anyway.
> Continuing to exchange emails such as this is a good way for me
> to write some of this down and I will do my best to move these
> sort of design and documentation issues on to MathAction itself.
> Which brings up another issue that concerns me a little - the
> use of email and the email lists versus the "subscribe" option
> on MathAction and Plone. Greater integration is possible but is
> it really desirable?
I like it the way it is. It might happen anyway that parts of the discussions
on axiom-developer, axiom-mail and axiom-math move to mathaction. I wouldn't
force that. First priority should be the integration of pamphlets, I believe.
> Ok, back the issues at hand...
> > I think we should now ask for permission to let
> > http://page.axiom-developer.org/zope/mathaction/FrontPage
> > replace
> > http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/
> Do you mean the "homepage" link on Savannah? Since I have admin
> rights for Axiom there, perhaps I can make this change?
> > Most of the content is already in MathAction, I think that only
> > obsolete things are missing, like the tutorial, which can be
> > accessed only every second day, if at all.
> I don't understand what you mean. Which tutorial? What problems
> do you have accessing it?
The tutorial of Martin N. Dunstan. I had a bad link, I'll add it just below the
> > Also, I did not move the screenshots. I think that the only one
> > which is still interesting is the one with TeXmacs, which would
> > fit well into a section "Axiom IDE's". I'm using (Gnu) Emacs...
> I like the idea of including some helpful information for stand
> alone "Axiom Integrated Development Environments" like TeXmacs
> users and Gnu Emacs, and I suppose also just the old native
Well, maybe somebody reading this will volunteer... It's priority level "2" for
> Tim and I (see 'doyen' on MathAction) have also been talking
> about the possibility of setting up a single-user MathAction-
> like environment for Axiom. The idea would be to allow an easy
> transition from a private stand alone environment to and online
> collaborative one like MathAction. For example, moving from TeXmacs
> to MathAction could be quite traumatic for a user. In principle
> making MathAction into a stripped down stand alone single user
> environment is quite easy to do, but I just haven't had enough
> time yet to do any serious work on this.
Low priority for me.
> > I think it should really *replace* the old homepage. I think we
> > should concentrate on *one* page, and I think that the MathAction
> > wiki is the perfect tool for it.
> The pages on http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ were originally
> developed by David Mentre (and/or a colleague of his). I think they
> established a "nice look" for Axiom - one that I wasn't really
> able to reproduce in the wiki environment.
This is very true, they are *very* beautiful! In fact, I tried to imitate a
little bit, but I failed. However, I have such a strong affection to the
underlying system of mathaction, that I propose to make this move. Furthermore,
I hope that beauty will evolve, given some time. In fact, I think that the new
FrontPage is still too crowded, but I didn't want to spend more time on it
right now. http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ is very concise (in the sense of
"uebersichtlich"), I hope FrontPage will become more like this when the layout
of the wiki becomes clearer.
> David (more or less) suggested
> a few days ago that we do the same thing that you are suggesting
> now - consolidate what we have now into a single "reference site"
> for Axiom. But I would be happy if he first had a chance to review
> the contents of your new pages to make sure that nothing of the
> original intent gets lost before we complete this.
Yes. No need to hurry. I think a great point to switch would be when the
pamphlets are integrated.
> I am also a little concerned about how we can (or if we should)
> separate the purpose of MathAction itself, as a particular type
> of interface to Axiom and Reduce and possibly others in the
> future, versus it's role as the "home for Axiom". Do we really
> want this "mix" of systems to be so prominent?
I thought about this too. No conclusion yet, sorry.
> Are there really
> two *separate* goals here: 1) support Axiom, 2) promote the
> "Rosetta" ideal of many different systems co-existing and growing
> and working together?
We might be very welcome in mupad-combinat circles.
> ... (big part skipped) ...
> Anyway, perhaps making the distinction between Axiom support
> and the broader Rosetta goals and support for Reduce, etc. is
> just a matter of the right web site design for MathAction and/or
> Plone? But MathAction is a wiki and kind of "fluid" by nature...
> What do you think?
I thinking that you are a little to afraid of this sort of freedom. I think
that axiom is too small to be a worthy target of vandalism, if we become one,
we can take measures then. I don't see any other possible problems with
fluidity. Time will tell.
> I am thinking (out loud) that maybe there is still a role for
> http://www.nongnu.org/axiom/ ??
I'd suggest that we don't decide this right now.
Thanks a lot for your work, and for your thoughts,
Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: mathaction, Camm Maguire, 2004/09/17
- [Axiom-developer] RE: mathaction, Bill Page, 2004/09/10
- RE: [Axiom-developer] RE: mathaction, Bill Page, 2004/09/10
- [Axiom-developer] Re: mathaction, root, 2004/09/10
- [Axiom-developer] RE: mathaction,
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- Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: mathaction, C Y, 2004/09/11
- RE: [Axiom-developer] RE: mathaction, Bill Page, 2004/09/11
- RE: [Axiom-developer] RE: mathaction, Martin Rubey, 2004/09/12
- Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: mathaction, Camm Maguire, 2004/09/17
- RE: [Axiom-developer] RE: mathaction, Bill Page, 2004/09/17
- Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: mathaction, Camm Maguire, 2004/09/22
- Re: [Axiom-developer] RE: mathaction, Tim Daly, 2004/09/22