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Re: BUG: Tools Meanu -> "Read Mail" is TOO DANGEROUS

From: Jari Aalto+mail.emacs
Subject: Re: BUG: Tools Meanu -> "Read Mail" is TOO DANGEROUS
Date: 04 Mar 2001 15:19:16 +0200
User-agent: Gnus/5.090001 (Oort Gnus v0.01) Emacs/20.7 (i386-*-windows98.1998)

* Sun 2001-03-04 eliz@is.elta.co.il (Eli Zaretskii) gnu.emacs.bug
| On 4 Mar 2001, Jari Aalto+mail wrote:
| >     Novice users, DO NOT WANT TO PUSH THAT MENU. It will convert all their
| >     mail to babyl, when they have used to pine, elm, mutt etc.
| How is this different from any other mailer?  They all fetch all the 
| mail, then convert it to some format that not all of the other tools 
| understand.

Usually MUAs leave the mailbox where it is. A novice user introducing
to Emacs will most like alreay use elm, pine, mutt which operate on $MAIL.

I believe VM also reads $MAIL and doesn't move it. Gnus also can read
$MAIL directly and only if configured, it moves mail to backends.

The problem is the format: babyl, which is not know to any other 
MUA out there, at lest not to those of mainstream.
    The menu should really come with high warnign before anything
    irreversible happens.

In my opinion the RMAIL should not be the default Mail reader now when
Gnus in in Emacs. Gnus is more standard with the rest of the MUAs and
it could be configured so that (G f $MAIL) it reads $MAIL when user
selects Tools->Mail. This way nothing irreversible would happen even if user 
decided not to use Gnus yet for full time.

I gather that changing mail reader is something that is not done
lightly. Many want to "try and see" and during the test period they
still rely on their primary MUA, before they are convinced to change.

| At least Emacs has "M-x unrmail".

Sure, but it has already destroyed $MAIL content. It won't put 
the mail back to $MAIL. Poor user if helpless with his mutt, elm, pine
even after this.


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