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Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] CGRAN down indefinitely, but hopefully not for lo

From: Rick Farina
Subject: Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] CGRAN down indefinitely, but hopefully not for long (want feedback)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 00:04:15 -0400
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On 09/29/2014 05:41 PM, George Nychis wrote:
> Marcus, thanks for keeping up-to-date projects on CGRAN!  Since you've
> always been actively involved, what would you like to see different and/or
> improved?  It can still be the place where your projects live, I am just
> trying to make CGRAN more friendly to changes in the current community and
> to be more supportive of newer projects.  The clear example has always been
> making it more git-centric.

One of the things I find myself constantly doing for projects on cgran
is making manual snapshots.  Github has the ability to make a snapshot
both for head and for any tags, which has always been very useful.
While I don't care if no one wants to use github, or even git for that
matter, some form of automatic snapshot for tags and/or revs would be
very useful imho.

> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Marcus D. Leech <address@hidden> wrote:
>>  On 09/29/2014 05:31 PM, George Nychis wrote:
>> Thanks for the feedback, Chris and Martin.  What I'm going to do is keep
>> CGRAN down until we have some sort of plan/resolution and use it as a form
>> of motivation.  Every time I've managed to resurrect CGRAN from the dead, I
>> just leave it go and forget about it for some time again.  I think that the
>> down time might help us come to a conclusion sooner.
>>  Several people have e-mailed me about access to the repository.  I was
>> able to get the repo back up, and it should be anonymously readable here:
>> https://www.cgran.org/svn/projects
>>  To address Chris' thoughts, I've always felt CGRAN was useful in two
>> aspects:  1) To find useful and up-to-date projects (albeit rare), and 2)
>> To find more historical projects that highlight the capabilities of GNU
>> Radio and SDRs and to resurrect and/or build from them.  I know the latter
>> has been a killer, but I've found multiple times that people came to CGRAN
>> to dig up old code and build something new from it.  But if anything, these
>> two types of projects need to be clearly marked and separated.
>> Academically, I know that students are very willing to take brutally dead
>> code and use pieces of it for projects.
>>  Maintenance over time is simply just difficult.  Once projects are
>> complete, many people move on but GNU Radio keeps on chugging.  I know that
>> I lost time to maintain my projects.  Pybombs could at least guide the user
>> to get correct versions, let them know there is a mismatch, etc.  It can
>> also provide the link from a project to where the actual code and
>> repository are.  I think that pybomb entries can point to github locations,
>> right?
>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Martin Braun <address@hidden>
>> wrote:
>>> This is something that comes up at our dev calls (and other dev meetings)
>>> regularly, and we really need to address it sooner rather than later.
>>> George, if the support burden is getting to much, we can surely fix a
>>> short-term solution by migrating stuff to some temporary location (let's
>>> take this specific discussion offline, though).
>>> In the future, we'd like to have something that ties in nicely with
>>> Pybombs, and also uses the gits. How exactly, that's something we need to
>>> decide, and any community input on this is appreciated.
>>> Cheers,
>>> M
>>>    I have projects on CGRAN that are actively maintained.  Most notably,
>> simple-ra.  But also, simple_fm_rcv, meteor_detector, multimode, and
>> SIDSuite.
>> While I'm willing to find another place for them, it's, as one might
>> expect, a pain....
>>> On 29.09.2014 11:01, George Nychis wrote:
>>>>  The machine that runs CGRAN down in some basement somewhere at Carnegie
>>>> Mellon has hit some issues again.  Given that I'm no longer at the
>>>> university, these issues are becoming harder for me to address.  At this
>>>> point, it's probably best for CGRAN to "move on" as we've all been in
>>>> discussion about over time.
>>>> What I can do if everyone still finds CGRAN useful is:
>>>>     1.  Provide a more reliable host and machine for it
>>>>     2.  Update it to be more useful to the community (e.g., more towards
>>>> git)
>>>> It still gets a lot of hits (~16,000 a month) and every time it goes
>>>> down people hunt me down and ask when it's coming back up.  So it seems
>>>> as though the community still uses it.
>>>> I can update it with Pybombs or Gitlib or whatever people feel is
>>>> appropriate.  It can be more of a portal page even, without a repository
>>>> if most people just use Github now anyway.  Do people still like it is a
>>>> standalone service, or is it better to just "roll it in" to the GNU
>>>> Radio webpage somewhere now?  I want to do whatever the community finds
>>>> is most useful.
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> George
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