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Re: Discuss-gnustep Digest, Vol 12, Issue 37


From: David Rogers
Subject: Re: Discuss-gnustep Digest, Vol 12, Issue 37
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 21:43:08 -0600

There are several open sourced libs that can help out with most of those. OmniGroup has Apple's WebCore available for download, I think that should be the backend for both the web browser and the development tool. There is also a Javascript interface there too.

http://www.omnigroup.com/ftp/pub/software/Source/MacOSX/Frameworks/

Then for the flash app, Ming could be used.

http://ming.sourceforge.net/

That's my 2 cents. I'd be glad to start on any of these projects if possible.

dave rogers

On Nov 27, 2003, at 9:22 PM, Calvin Mitchell wrote:

Hi Everyone!

I'm a newbie, but I fell in love with
NeXTstep/Openstep a long time ago.

Regarding "Killer Apps"

Coming from a Windoze environment i KNOW what GNUstep
needs:

1) a WEB SITE DEVELOPMENT tool that rivals Dreamweaver
2) a music writing/editing/sequencing/notation suite
of apps that rivals Igor Engraver/Finale/SONAR
3) a ChessBase database-compatible app that will at
least import ChessBase files
4) a knock 'em dead WEB BROWSER (this should've been
done a LONG TIME AGO--how in the address@hidden is GNUstep going
to survive without a NATIVE WEB BROWSER????)
5) A FLASH/FLASH-compatible DEVELOPMENT
ENVIRONMENT!!!!!
6) an OFFICE PRODUCTIVITY SUITE that takes advantage
of Objective-C's AWESOME POWER!!!
7) A GAMING API to rival DIRECT-X

...just to name a few.

if we can come up with apps/libs in these seven areas,
GNUstep will prosper long after the HURD has replaced
the bloated Linux kernel.

along with all of the myriad other things i'm doing...

http://www.geocities.com/calvin674/

i'm boning up on ObjC & Java with the hope of
porting/building Igor Engraver (written in LISP) to
GNUstep...because WE ALL KNOW that GNUstep is the best
damn thing out there!

(cheers and howls)

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: [OT] GentooLinux GNUstep Developer (Ian
Jones)
   2. Re: [OT] GentooLinux GNUstep Developer (M.
Grabert)
   3. Re: [OT] GentooLinux GNUstep Developer (Jason
Clouse)
   4. Re: [OT] GentooLinux GNUstep Developer (PUYDT
Julien)
   5. Re: ImageApps - image tools for GNUstep (Tima
Vaisburd)
   6. Re: [OT] GentooLinux GNUstep Developer
(Michael Thaler)
   7. Re: ImageApps - image tools for GNUstep
(address@hidden)
   8. Re: GDB 6.0 released (Frederic Stark)
   9. Re: [OT] GentooLinux GNUstep Developer (MJ
Ray)
  10. Re: [OT] GentooLinux GNUstep Developer
(Rogelio M.Serrano Jr.)
  11. Re: [OT] GentooLinux GNUstep Developer (Chad
Hardin)



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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 04:51:48 +0100
From: Ian Jones <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: [OT] GentooLinux GNUstep Developer
To: address@hidden
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On 2003-11-27 03:21:27 +0000 M. Grabert
<address@hidden> wrote:

On Wed, 26 Nov 2003, Chris B. Vetter wrote:
[ snip ]

While this isn't entirely true, he/they are
right. GNUstep needs to
be
easier (for a user John Doe) to install. It's
easy enough for a
developer and/or someone who essentially know
what he's doing. While
you
CAN argue that John Doe isn't the target, I
disagree -- because the
majority doesn't know, doesn't want to know and
doesn't care enough
how
and why. All they care about is "does it install
in one go? if not,
I'll
ditch it".

What is wrong with compile-all ?

LOL, have you tried it and or looked at it? It's
crap, doesn't bail
out when crucial things aren't present etc etc. I
wrote a sligtly
improved replacement but noone seems interested
enough to look at it.
So it seems like it was a big waste of my time.

[ snip ]


Ian (Ian_J on #gnustep)

IF someone would like to look at the script that I
wrote it is here
along with the beginnings of an installer which
works for me (TM):

http://www.digital-bushido.org/opensource/files/GSInstaller.tgz




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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 04:41:09 +0000 (GMT)
From: "M. Grabert" <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: [OT] GentooLinux GNUstep Developer
To: Ian Jones <address@hidden>
Cc: address@hidden
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<address@hidden>
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On Thu, 27 Nov 2003, Ian Jones wrote:

What is wrong with compile-all ?

LOL, have you tried it and or looked at it? It's
crap, doesn't bail
out when crucial things aren't present etc etc. I
wrote a sligtly
improved replacement but noone seems interested
enough to look at it.
So it seems like it was a big waste of my time.

Oh, pardon me. Did I forgot the <irony> tag?  ;-P

Seriously, I don't consider this as a real problem.

When I first installed KDE version 1 (and the same
applies to the
first GNOME release) it was much more hassle that
GNUstep will ever be.
And things have gotten worse since then (for
compiling/installing KDE/GNOME).

The problem is than GNUstep is no replacement for
KDE/GNOME, since it
lacks applications, or at least one killer app
(don't ask me what kind
of application that could be).

The installation process is the last thing I worry
about ...

Max



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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 23:44:45 -0500
From: Jason Clouse <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: [OT] GentooLinux GNUstep Developer
To: address@hidden
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<address@hidden>
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On 2003-11-26 18:35:21 -0800 Chris B. Vetter
<address@hidden>
wrote:
While this isn't entirely true, he/they are right.
GNUstep needs to be
easier (for a user John Doe) to install. It's easy
enough for a
developer and/or someone who essentially know what
he's doing. While
you
CAN argue that John Doe isn't the target, I
disagree -- because the
majority doesn't know, doesn't want to know and
doesn't care enough
how
and why. All they care about is "does it install
in one go? if not,
I'll
ditch it".

Exactly.  That's why all distributions need
up-to-date,
completely-thought-out, easy-to-install packages in
the native
packaging format.

On the other hand, no one will give a sh*t,
whether GNUstep eventually
installs smoothly on Debian, Gentoo or
FlavourDistributionOfTheWeek if
there's nothing, no Tool, no Application, no nifty
Thing that draws
attention.

Yep.  So I guess we shouldn't bother making
packages, since no one is

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