Re: New to GNUstep

[Vaisburd, Haim]

Chris B. Vetter wrote:

> hvaisbur wrote:
> > Hm, why do we need a thing? What's wrong with Firefox? Its
> > licence refers to open source... :)
> [...]

> I "run" GNUstep for a reason -- because I do think it's superior
> to other 'systems', GNOME and KDE in particular.

I would compare GNUstep to an underlying toolkit, like Qt or Gnome,
rather than a desktop environment. I keep reading here that gnustep
is more than toolkit, but I've never understood that "more". Language
is important, of course, so ObjC plus toolkit. KDE though ( I'm very
little familiar with Gnome) is a set of interacting applications that define
the way you work with your system.

So in my view gnustep is superior to Qt, say, but KDE equivalent does
not exist yet. I do not quite like KDE and want to see a superior desktop
and think it would be proper to base it on gnustep. Here we probably agree.

[...]
> Note that I consider Qt or GTK parts of KDE, or GNOME respectively.
[...]

I don't. Gimp, Firefox, Dia, Abiword are not parts of anything, to my mind.
The same way as Nedit, for example, is not a part of CDE, although both
use Motif.

> Therefor I do not want a 'mixed' environment, I want a setup that
> is as free of dependencies as possible. If that means that I have
> to wait for a particular application or tool, so be it.

I think it's a dead end. We will be rewriting existing programs
while others will go ahead and write better ones. IMHO the
nice integration between applications is only of second importance
after the power of application themselves. We use them to do the real work.

I think it would be better to make the big things like Firefox or emacs work

smoothly with gnustep environment. Or maybe take their engines and rewrite the 
GUI.

Tima.