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From: Sergii Stoian
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 00:24:20 +0200

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 5:41 PM, Gregory Casamento <address@hidden> wrote:

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 09:28 Sergii Stoian <address@hidden> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Gregory Casamento <address@hidden> wrote:
In addition to David’s comments I need to add that using images and icons from openstep and nextstep is tempting fate.  

You're definitely right. I will remove images and icons after project is noticed.
But it's a problem of GNUstep project.

It is not.

Nobody wants to create icons and images for GNUstep. Maybe somebody want to replace openstep icons keeping style?

GNUstep doesn’t use any OpenStep or NeXT icons.  We do in the style of NeXT but we don’t take the icons directly.   If you can identify any instances in GNUstep where this has occurred please report them and I will, personally, delete them from the project.  

GNUstep has no OPENSTEP icons and images. No problem.
All of the icons we use were designed by Jesse Ross and others. 

GNUstep has set of OPENSTEP-style icons. I just don't like them. It's something personal.
NEXTSPACE is my personal project. There's no problem for GNUstep. Correct me if I'm wrong.

It is reference design: clear, moderate, stylish. It is something people can try to use never touching NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP before. Screenshots is a 10% of OPENSTEP user experience. Other things become noticed after some period of using application. That's why I did it. I failed to find more elegant way to return interest to GNUstep. I guess when project started (1996, right?) all of this was obvious because people know what OPENSTEP is (use it, devleloped for it). Now all of these things are misty a bit.

This is part of the problem. People also wrongly associate GNUstep only with openstep after so many years because of the name.  

Quite often people make opinion about underlying libraries using applications or desktop environments (Qt/KDE, GTK/GNOME). If someone wants to change people's GNUstep perception he need to create applications and/or environment with respective look and feel.
I like NeXT's look and feel. That's why I'm creating NEXTSPACE.

Excume me for being so talkative. It's IMHO. I'd rather code something useful. ;)

Code is important, but so are the concerns raised here.  

I agree with you.


On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 04:22 David Chisnall <address@hidden> wrote:
On 27 Nov 2017, at 22:58, Sergii Stoian <address@hidden> wrote:
> Hi David,
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 7:57 PM, David Chisnall <address@hidden> wrote:
> Hi,
> This looks very nice, but a few comments:
> - Apple still owns the NeXT trademark, so be careful about using NEXT in the name.
> I think it is exactly the "NeXT" right? Not "Next" or "NEXT”.

I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice:

Trademark law depends a lot on the notion of ‘passing off’, i.e. using a variation of a trademark in such a way that it may cause confusion.  For example, Mr MacDonald’s Restaurant may or may not infringe the McDonald’s trademark, but if it uses a big yellow M as its logo (even in a different typeface) then it probably will.

Apple is generally quite aggressive about defending trademarks, so it’s probably better not to risk it - even if you’re right, the cost of defending an infringement suit in the US may run to millions of dollars.

> - NeXT used the NX prefix (NS = NeXT + Sun, NX = NeXT), so using it as your prefix is confusing.
> Yes I know that. Do you think it's a copyright issue?

It’s not a copyright issue (Google vs Oracle notwithstanding), it’s a confusion issue.  I saw the headers and thought they were implementations of pre-OpenStep NeXT classes, but then I looked more closely and they don’t appear to be.

> - Please don’t put big RPMs in the repo!  It adds overhead to anyone who clones it, and GitHub has a perfectly adequate Downloads facility for hosting these.
> - It would be easier to package (and to collaborate) if these were separate GitHub repos.
> I've switched to the github a couple of weeks ago and don't know all of the github features. Can you help me to place RPMs outside of code on github?

Sure.  If you click on the ‘0 releases’ line at the top of the page, you’ll got to a page that has a ‘draft a new release’ button.  From here, you can generate a release associated with a tag and upload any binary versions (e.g. the RPMs).

Note that this will work better if you split the repo into different projects, because then it’s easy to do the releases independently.

This also helps packagers for other systems.  For example, on FreeBSD if I am the maintainer of a a port then portscout will send me an email if there’s a new release automatically.


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Sergii Stoian, ProjectCenter maintainer
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