Re: [ML] Re: Hosting of gnustep.org

[Umberto Cerrato]

> Il giorno 19 gen 2021, alle ore 17:34, Gregory Casamento 
> <greg.casamento@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> 
> 
> Umberto,
> 
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 6:30 AM Umberto Cerrato <umbertocerrato@outlook.it> 
> wrote:
> (Hi there, I am quite new here, I am sorry for interfering here, I wanted to.)
> 
> Is that really necessary?
> 
> I do not know how much GNUstep is “libre”.
> 
> Very.
>  
> But usually, I would tend to stay out of big company platforms (f.e. Amazon)
> Making an exception only on some (like GitHub).
> 
> 
> true, but it's hard to avoid amazon.
>  
> Theoretically (but that is a very personal opinion), to me the best platform
> would be a self hosted one. Relying on other(s) services the least possible.
> 
> 
> The issue with self-hosted solutions is reliability.  I have tried hosting 
> things on my home network and downtime is just too much.
> PS:
> To me, these are tough choices.
> Eventually, I think the only thing GNUstep may need is just an aesthetic 
> restyling.
> 
> It needs that on many levels.

Yes. I didn’t say that, but really, I wanted to say that.

PS:
One of the thing I do not like AWS is that I find it ugly when I download 
things from GitHub (IDK why, maybe even GH rely on AWS) and macOS shows me “do 
you want to open this thing downloaded from _ugly amazon was link_ ?”

But really, that is the worst example ever on why I do not like the fact that 
many people rely on AWS.
Eventually I am not against paying for having a service. But, are we sure there 
are not “better” alternatives to AWS? Better for free software projects. So 
services which can more in line with free software principles?

> I have something more to say, But I think I am just going to copy-paste that 
> to the IRC channel
> If you want to hear them.
> 
> > Il giorno 19 gen 2021, alle ore 11:35, Gregory Casamento 
> > <greg.casamento@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> > 
> > Nikolaus,
> > 
> > On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 2:18 AM H. Nikolaus Schaller <hns@goldelico.com> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Am 19.01.2021 um 00:36 schrieb Ivan Vučica <ivan@vucica.net>:
> > > 
> > > Some options:
> > > 
> > > - Should we turn the index into a set of static pages generated from
> > > MySQL data, which we then check in?
> > > - If we turn each entry into a single .md file, we can perhaps
> > > leverage https://github.com/allejo/jekyll-toc
> > 
> > Hm.
> > 
> > The page is highly interactive (searching/filtering/jumping) and accepts
> > proposing updates. It is even counting access and building a TOP10 list.
> > 
> > How should that work with static content?
> > 
> > > - We could have a tiny nginx host which does nothing but route
> > > requests to serving backends based on the path:
> > >  - either proxy the request to gnustep.github.io,
> > >  - or proxy it to a host with the software index (or even return a
> > > 301 to something like index.gnustep.org)
> > 
> > Keep it simple...
> > 
> > Why not just redirect the entry point www.gnustep.org/index.htmlto
> > the new page and leave the remainder like the softwareindex on the
> > existing infrastructure (apache, php, mysql)?
> > 
> > The idea is to get off of the existing server.  I really would like to move 
> > to something hosted on github or on some other server that we push changes 
> > to more easily.
> > 
> > This should suffice
> > 
> > www.gnustep.org/index.html;
> > 
> > <meta http-equiv = "refresh" content = "0 ; url = 
> > https://gnustep.github.io/index.html"/>
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > I can play with moving things around over some weekend, if I get
> > > sufficient access to current host.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 6:03 PM H. Nikolaus Schaller <hns@goldelico.com> 
> > > wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> Hi,
> > >> I just recognized that making gnustep.org point somewhere else will break
> > >> 
> > >> http://www.gnustep.org/softwareindex/
> > >> 
> > >> unless this is moved as well.
> > >> It is long ago that someone did set this up and it still works...
> > >> 
> > >> The Software Index needs php, a httpd and a mysql database to be hosted 
> > >> somewhere. I am not sure if gnustep.github.io can provide this.
> > >> 
> > >> BR,
> > >> Nikolaus
> > >> 
> > >>> Am 18.01.2021 um 18:26 schrieb Patryk Laurent <plaurent@me.com>:
> > >>> 
> > >>> Hi Greg,
> > >>> 
> > >>> Could we make a plan to implement pointing the domain to the 
> > >>> Gitub-hosted site and/or delegate someone to do it?
> > >>> 
> > >>> Aside from the navigation menu improvements already committed on the 
> > >>> GitHub version of the site, we could also incorporate or link to sites 
> > >>> to increase visibility e.g., https://teespring.com/stores/gnustep
> > >>> 
> > >>> Best regards,
> > >>> Patryk
> > >>> 
> > >>> 
> > >>> 
> > >>> 
> > >>> 
> > >>>> On Dec 18, 2019, at 13:01, Ivan Vučica <ivan@vucica.net> wrote:
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 1:17 PM Manuel Guesdon <ml@sbuilders.com> 
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>> 
> > >>>>> - make a CNAME www.gnustep.org => gnustep.github.io(but server hosting
> > >>>>>  gnustep.github.io should accept requests for www.gnustep.org)
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> This merely requires creating a file named 'CNAME' in the github repo
> > >>>> for gnustep.github.io (i.e.
> > >>>> https://github.com/gnustep/gnustep.github.io).
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> See 
> > >>>> https://help.github.com/en/github/working-with-github-pages/managing-a-custom-domain-for-your-github-pages-site
> > >>>> 
> > >>>>> I can't make a CNAME gnustep.org => gnustep.github.io(due to the way 
> > >>>>> DNS
> > >>>>> works) but I can make a 301 redirect http://gnustep.org
> > >>>>> => http://www.gnustep.org
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Looks like Github documents the exact IPs that can be used:
> > >>>> https://help.github.com/en/github/working-with-github-pages/managing-a-custom-domain-for-your-github-pages-site#configuring-an-apex-domain
> > >>>> 
> > >>>> Then again, 301 + CNAME for www are probably more maintainable.
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Gregory Casamento
> > GNUstep Lead Developer / OLC, Principal Consultant
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> 
> -- 
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