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Re: [DotGNU]Microsoft & Mono
From: |
Jeremy Petzold |
Subject: |
Re: [DotGNU]Microsoft & Mono |
Date: |
18 Jul 2001 05:45:04 -0700 |
cool, I hope its faster than Dial-up.
On Wed, 18 July 2001, David Sugar wrote:
>
> I am still here. I can get net access from the hotel...
>
> David
>
> Jeremy Petzold wrote:
>
> > Hey David, How was the trip? :)
> >
> >
> > David Sugar wrote:
> >
> >> It is not nessisarly a bad thing to re-state, even the so called
> >> obvious. Yes, this is a good way of expressing the key part of what we
> >> wish to do in regards to authentication and data privacy.
> >>
> >> David
> >>
> >>
> >> Jeremy Petzold wrote:
> >>
> >>> yes, and I am sure this is the general feeling on the project, but I
> >>> have not seen it said anywhere, if we can make it so idividuals can
> >>> create their own Databanks on a home server/leased space, then that
> >>> will give us the most power over .NET.
> >>>
> >>> remember, the bad thing about passport is that the Authorization and
> >>> Data are bundled, one will not function without the other. but, if we
> >>> make it where the Data is stored on any server, even one the local 15
> >>> year old can set up for his neibors, then have a seperate Auth server
> >>> sytem that would be managed perhaps by some sort of govening body
> >>> sort of like the W3C is to the web, then people would have total
> >>> control over their information, and all they would need to do is to
> >>> register with the auth server in their area to make thier Databank
> >>> valid for use.
> >>>
> >>> I know that this has been the general feeling from Day one, but I
> >>> just felt that no one had actualy said it in such totality that one
> >>> could see the big picture of how the system is to work.
> >>>
> >>> so, sorry if this is one of those Duh-no-sh*t-stupid sort of thing,
> >>> but I felt the need to say it.
> >>>
> >>> am I wrong in one of these areas?
> >>> On Tue, 17 July 2001, Barry Fitzgerald wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Yes, well...
> >>>>
> >>>> We're countering with control and flexibility. Surely, many users will
> >>>> gravitate towards passport, but we may be able to leverage some through
> >>>> other areas. I suspect that the ISP's will be our allies in this
> >>>> battle. And as far as provided services, that's obviously something
> >>>> that can't be answered now since the .Net services themselves have not
> >>>> been fully defined. Suffice it to say that we will have different
> >>>> concepts at work. Concepts which we feel are superior.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Barry
> >>>>
> >>>> Kent Nguyen wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Tuesday 17 July 2001 07:05, Barry Fitzgerald wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Kent Nguyen wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Even if 63% of all of the web servers out there are apache, these
> >>>>>>>> servers - using .Net compatible services - could further leverage
> >>>>>>>> Microsoft's position on the desktop by running Microsoft centric
> >>>>>>>> architectures over Free Software. This it why dotGnu is the real
> >>>>>>>> danger to Microsoft. Mono is a necessary component to some extent.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What about Microsoft passport customer based? Doesn't that attract
> >>>>>>> software developer to buy a specialize "security pack" to
> >>>>>>> interoperate
> >>>>>>> with passport?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --kent
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Well, I think it's obvious that user marketshare is always an
> >>>>>> issue when
> >>>>>> considering what platform some developers will develop for - as
> >>>>>> does an
> >>>>>> already existing userbase. These are essentially one and the same.
> >>>>>> However, I fail to see your point here. Yes, their marketshare is a
> >>>>>> factor. So...???
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Think about it this way. Let's say a user have a Microsoft
> >>>>> passport. He
> >>>>> uses email with his M$ passport, he uses it to check history of his
> >>>>> transactions on ebay, he uses it to view a word, excel, powerpoint
> >>>>> documents,
> >>>>> he uses it to view his .NET photo album, he uses it to pay his
> >>>>> utility, his
> >>>>> electricity, and everything bill, he uses it to play games, he uses
> >>>>> to use MS
> >>>>> messenger, and he uses to talk on the Internet.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Once the number of services grow, you won't be able to get people
> >>>>> to change
> >>>>> their "identity". The services they use define them. The user has no
> >>>>> incentive to switch to dotGNU when the Hailstorm ecosystem have all
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> services they want.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Let's carry this senerio further. The user will want to share
> >>>>> documents to
> >>>>> his friends. In order for his friends to view the document in .NET
> >>>>> Word, he
> >>>>> needs to setup a M$ passport. This friend sends the document to
> >>>>> another
> >>>>> friend, who will have to setup an M$ passport to view a .NET Word
> >>>>> document,
> >>>>> and so on. It becomes viral. This is worse than attaching a
> >>>>> simple message
> >>>>> of every outgoing email from a hotmail account saying "FREE private
> >>>>> email at
> >>>>> www.hotmail.com".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Hailstorm ecosystem is like a virus, it will grow exponentially.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My question is how is dotGNU going to convince users to use its
> >>>>> system? What
> >>>>> is the incentive for user to use dotGNU? Is there a service
> >>>>> available in the
> >>>>> dotGNU environment that they need?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Here's another situation. Let's say I'm Microsoft. First I would
> >>>>> encourage
> >>>>> as many third parties develop on my .NET platform. At first I
> >>>>> won't compete
> >>>>> against them. I will help those third party developer out. Then
> >>>>> as more and
> >>>>> more developers become entrench. I'll just start bundling my service
> >>>>> together. One by one, I will slowly kill off the third party
> >>>>> developer and
> >>>>> monopolize the web service industry. I use this same tactic to
> >>>>> dominate the
> >>>>> desktop market.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --kent
> >>>>>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Jeremy
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Re: [DotGNU]Microsoft & Mono, Jeremy Petzold, 2001/07/17
Re: [DotGNU]Microsoft & Mono,
Jeremy Petzold <=