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Re: TUTORIAL.de updated
From: |
Eli Zaretskii |
Subject: |
Re: TUTORIAL.de updated |
Date: |
Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:54:41 +0200 |
> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 06:00:22 +0100 (CET)
> Cc: address@hidden, address@hidden
> From: Werner LEMBERG <address@hidden>
>
>
> >> Well, a typical US user doesn't need to know how to enter foreign
> >> languages, does she?
> >
> > Probably not, but then why does a German user need a lesson on how
> > to type German on her keyboard?
>
> It is not too uncommon that German users have a US keyboard because
> they are programming a lot. The characters [ ] { } are really awkward
> to type on a German keyboard.
Those awkward characters don't appear in the tutorial, and we
certainly don't ask the apprentice to type them as part of her working
on the tutorial lessons.
> > Is a situation where a native German speaker learns to use Emacs on
> > a machine that doesn't already support German input on the OS level
> > anything but very rare?
>
> Well, on my GNU/Linux box, the Quail input methods for German offered
> by Emacs are better than SCIM. One main reason is that the latter
> disables the use of a `.XCompose' file, which is very bad for me. I
> don't know whether the successor of SCIM (I forgot its name) has fixed
> this.
Emacs makes many things easier and better. That doesn't yet mean we
need to put all of them, or even some of them, in the tutorial.
> Regardless of the keyboard and input method issues, there are still
> three dominant encodings used in Germany and Austria, namely latin-1,
> windows-1252, and utf-8, and I consider it important that a user knows
> how to force an encoding in case Emacs fails to recognize it properly.
With the current Emacs, I don't think the user needs that knowledge as
badly as it was needed in v20.x or 21.x. It might be that this
section was a must 10 or 8 years ago, but I think nowadays it just
gets in the way.
> As I said, the MULE section can be certainly improved :-)
I submit that MULE is not tutorial stuff.
So let's agree to disagree, and let Stefan and Chong make the decision
about this.
Re: TUTORIAL.de updated, Ulrich Mueller, 2012/01/19
- Re: TUTORIAL.de updated, Werner LEMBERG, 2012/01/19
- quotation marks [was Re: TUTORIAL.de updated], Glenn Morris, 2012/01/19
- Re: quotation marks [was Re: TUTORIAL.de updated], Eli Zaretskii, 2012/01/20
- Re: quotation marks [was Re: TUTORIAL.de updated], Alan Mackenzie, 2012/01/20
- Re: quotation marks [was Re: TUTORIAL.de updated], Paul Eggert, 2012/01/20