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Re: Apologia for bzr

From: David Kastrup
Subject: Re: Apologia for bzr
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:54:49 +0100
User-agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux)

Sivaram Neelakantan <address@hidden> writes:

> On Mon, Jan 06 2014,Stefan Monnier wrote:
>>> On the other hand, I’ve showed emacs to a very large number of new college
>>> students over the years, both programmers and non.  The keybindings are
>>> confusing to many people. People who accidentally split-window are very
>>> confused.  Nobody was ever confused by the location of the modeline, and 
>>> it’s
>>> normal for common apps like web browsers to have a “Status Bar” down there. 
>> That corresponds to my experience.  The main sources of trouble, AFAICT are:
>> - window management:
>>   - how to get rid of a window (e.g. when *Help* introduced a split).
>>   - how to get back to a buffer that was somehow buried.
>> - keybindings like C-a, C-x, C-c, C-v
>> - naming (things like windows, frames, kill, yank).
> Speaking as an Emacs user,  I don't understand this line of
> reasoning.  The same logic above could be applied to vi/vim, any
> programming language at all.  I ran into the same issues above and I
> got help from this list or from the docs and even rereading the
> tutorial.  What's the issue with new users nowadays?  All the
> definitions are there in the manual...erm...somewhere but there.

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David Kastrup

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