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Re: Bundling GNU ELPA packages

From: joakim
Subject: Re: Bundling GNU ELPA packages
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 21:11:46 +0100
User-agent: Gnus/5.130012 (Ma Gnus v0.12) Emacs/24.4.50 (gnu/linux)

Eli Zaretskii <address@hidden> writes:

>> From: Tassilo Horn <address@hidden>
>> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 20:30:08 +0100
>> Cc: address@hidden
>> What I don't understand is why we don't move org, gnus, and other
>> built-in packages which aren't "super-core" (i.e., not everybody
>> needs them) from emacs.git to elpa.git?  Then all points above still
>> apply, and emacs releases are a bit more lightweight.
> There's no direct relation between moving packages between
> repositories and excluding them from the release tarballs.  We can
> have one, but not the other.
> What is the advantage of having a more lightweight tarball?  Disk
> space is no longer at premium, and Emacs is a relatively small package
> by modern standards.
>> I mean, for fast-evolving packages like org and company, if emacs
>> 25.1 bundles version X, the next day version X+1 is available from
>> ELPA anyway.
> Yes, but then installing a tarball gives me Org and Gnus etc., even if
> they are slightly outdated.  If we go your way, I don't have them at
> all, and need a live, reliable, and uncensored network connection to
> get them; until I do, my Emacs is crippled or might not even start at
> all.  That's a net loss.
> When I install XEmacs, I always want the "sumo" package, for that very
> reason.
>> The only downside I can see is that users upgrading from Emacs 24 to 25
>> might get startup errors because formerly built-in packages aren't
>> anymore.  But that can be documented easily:
>>   If you used the built-in org-mode version in Emacs < 25, do
>>     1. emacs -Q
>>     2. M-x package-install RET org RET
>>     3. Now you can restart emacs without -Q
> There are only disadvantages here.  You add conditions that, if they
> are not satisfied, will interfere with the upgrade.  It's a nuisance
> for no good reason.

+1 for Eli:s entire post from me! Theres no real point in a slimmed
release tarball, and if you still want one, you could still make one
separately from the main release tarball.

Joakim Verona

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