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Re: VC mode and git
From: |
Eli Zaretskii |
Subject: |
Re: VC mode and git |
Date: |
Sat, 04 Apr 2015 10:40:11 +0300 |
> From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <address@hidden>
> Cc: address@hidden,
> address@hidden
> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2015 07:41:53 +0900
>
> Eli Zaretskii writes:
>
> > Teaching people new things often requires to start without rigor,
> > because otherwise you risk losing your audience. Being
> > "technically correct", but confusing instead of explanatory is not
> > helpful.
>
> Eli, you can't have it both ways. When I use the shorthand common in
> the git community and defined in the glossary, you excoriate me for
> lack of rigor (in different but equivalent words).
It's a judgment call. In this case, I think using a shorthand only
confuses things, since "commit" and "commit object" are really very
different beasts. By "lack of rigor" I meant omitting details of
secondary importance to the issue at hand; confusion between 2
entities is IMO not one of them, at least not in this case.
> > What they did say is (a) they don't like investing an inordinate
> > amount of time and effort into studying Git, and (b) they would like
> > to keep their previous workflows as much as possible.
>
> > So if we want to help them become proficient, we need to go with them
> > and educate them while trying to honor these 2 desires.
>
> My opinion that is that given what Richard and Alan apparently
> consider to be "inordinate effort", we are unlikely to get to a point
> where they know enough to make an informed decision.
Could be. In which case they will stop at the level of a "cookbook
user", who memorizes commands without deep understanding of their real
effect, and instead relies on some simplified mental models. Not
ideal, I agree, but not bad, either. And then it's just a
possibility; there's still hope they will move ahead at some point.
> > What he did became clear, even to me, after he showed the information
> > we requested.
>
> It did? It's not clear to me. I still haven't seen an explanation of
> how he ended up with a ton of modified files that he didn't touch, or
> how he's going to get past that safely.
We've been through that: those are files from the merge already in the
index, ready to be committed when the conflicts are resolved.
> > > I wish you would write more posts like that.
> >
> > Thanks, I'm trying.
>
> You're welcome. I hope you know there was absolutely zero sarcasm in
> the compliment.
Nope, taken at face value.
> There is no question in my mind that you have been the most
> level-headed contributor to this thread, although I disagree (even
> now) with some of the positions you've taken.
Disagreements are expected, due to different perspectives and the fact
that I don't know about Git as much as you do. But at least I
gathered enough stuff in this thread to fix GitQuickStartForEmacsDevs,
to which I'd appreciate comments from everyone who has a moment to
spare.
- Re: VC mode and git, (continued)
- Re: VC mode and git, Eli Zaretskii, 2015/04/03
- Re: VC mode and git, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2015/04/03
- Re: VC mode and git, Eli Zaretskii, 2015/04/03
- Re: VC mode and git, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2015/04/03
- Re: VC mode and git, Eli Zaretskii, 2015/04/03
- Re: VC mode and git, Sergey Organov, 2015/04/03
- Re: VC mode and git, Eli Zaretskii, 2015/04/04
- Re: VC mode and git, Sergey Organov, 2015/04/06
- Re: VC mode and git, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2015/04/03
- Re: VC mode and git, Steinar Bang, 2015/04/04
- Re: VC mode and git,
Eli Zaretskii <=
- Re: VC mode and git, martin rudalics, 2015/04/04
- Re: VC mode and git, Eli Zaretskii, 2015/04/04
- Re: VC mode and git, martin rudalics, 2015/04/04
- Re: VC mode and git, Eli Zaretskii, 2015/04/04
- Re: VC mode and git, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2015/04/04
- Re: VC mode and git, Eli Zaretskii, 2015/04/05
- Re: VC mode and git, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2015/04/05
- Re: VC mode and git, Eli Zaretskii, 2015/04/05
- Re: VC mode and git, Stephen J. Turnbull, 2015/04/05
- Re: VC mode and git, Eli Zaretskii, 2015/04/05