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Re: How other pattern-matching lisps do [Was: Re: pcase ` meaning [Was:

From: Garreau\, Alexandre
Subject: Re: How other pattern-matching lisps do [Was: Re: pcase ` meaning [Was: Re: Replace trivial pcase occurrences in the Emacs sources]]
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2018 18:57:25 +0100
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On 2018-10-28 at 09:44, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> Okay, so I went to search what is done in other pattern matching lisp
>> form.
> You missed Racket's `match` 
> (https://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/match.html)

Indeed!  Thank you!  I missed it because when reading guile reference
(incidentelly already installed on my system, while I don’t even know if
racket’s is installable as info, pdf, man or even html here), I naively
thought if it said most schemes used the same, racket would too.

And indeed, it seems pretty compatible, beside being interestingly way
richer, having the `list', `vector', etc. patterns I found in cl-match…
and I’m very happy the `var' I made out of “Lisp, 3rd ed” book annex I
found happen to be just the same, compatible with racket: this easily
paliates for binding all constructs which aren’t bindable in guile’s
match (“((var list) foo)” to bind the symbol “list” as a first element).

> Incidentally, I also missed it when I did the same search you did before
> embarking on the design and implementation of pcase.  I later found
> Racket's `match` which was pretty close to the original design of pcase,
> but showed me how to add `pcase-defmacro` (mostly by adding the `app`
> pattern), which led to the "new pcase" where ` is a macro (and where
> ' was added for that macro to have something to expand to).

What was is initially? non-existing?

> The current `pcase` is pretty close to Racket's `match`.  The main
> missing functionality is the negation,

In terms of powerfulness, however, to come back to original discussion:
confusion.  The presence of type constructors (`list', `array'), the
fact lists and arrays, otherwise (if not matching a defined pattern)
work out of the box, and the `var' form, allow, if needed, to completely
avoid the “`” syntax.  And to me it’s like it appear that this syntax is
confusing quite some people (and I understand why, except when in ,(foo)
`foo' is a defined pattern, so it’s look like a function call).  So
avoiding this syntax in source code could be handy so to give a better
image to pcase, which would understood more easily.

> which Racket solves "easily" because its underlying language handles
> lambda much more efficiently (i.e. the code generated by `match` would
> work very poorly in Elisp unless we significantly improved the
> byte-compiler's handling of funcall).

>From what I feel sometimes scheme’s byte-compiler are pretty handy,
maybe less than some cl compilers, but… well maybe it is only that elisp
byte-compiler doesn’t do that much, does it?

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