Re: list of elisp primitives ?

[Jean-Christophe Helary]

What I'm trying to do is this:

>  I was thinking that because of the sheer amount of functions in the elisp 
> reference, it might be much easier to start programming with the primitives 
> to understand how elisp works at its core, and then climb the ladder when 
> need arises...

i.e. trying to find a limited subset of functions that one can use to program 
in elisp and do non-trivial things but that do not involve searching the 
reference at all times.

I'm thinking like in standard learners dictionaries, there are clear 
indications, like asterisks, that tell the learner whether the word is basic 
(generally about 2000 words) or intermediate (about 4000 words).

People who know the basic words can get by and express most of what they need 
to express in daily life.

For ex, it is estimated that there are about 140k words in French, but daily 
use only requires 1k. Let's lower the number of passively known words to 40k, 
that's 50 functions in Elisp...

JC

> On Dec 22, 2019, at 12:52, Eduardo Ochs <address@hidden> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jean-Christophe,
> What are you trying to do?
> If you'd like to discuss by IRC in #emacs at Freenode I'm edrx there...
>   [[]], E.
> 
> 
> On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 at 00:44, Jean-Christophe Helary <address@hidden> wrote:
> Thank you Eduardo.
> 
> That's 1290 functions...
> 
> The reference seems to have 1608 functions and 294 commands, so those 
> primitives are not even a "useful subset" of emacs lisp functions...
> 
> I guess that was a naïve idea. So I'll just have to go through the reference 
> and try to find myself a minimaly useful subset (which is what the Intro 
> should be about, btw.)
> 
> > On Dec 22, 2019, at 12:21, Eduardo Ochs <address@hidden> wrote:
> > 
> > Try this:
> > 
> > (defun fboundp-and-subrp (symbol)
> >   (and (fboundp symbol) (subrp (symbol-function symbol))))
> > 
> > (setq my-primitives (apropos-internal "^.*$" 'fboundp-and-subrp))
> > 
> > (defun my-describe (symbol) (format "(describe-function '%S)\n" symbol))
> > 
> > (insert (mapconcat 'my-describe my-primitives ""))
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 at 00:01, Jean-Christophe Helary <address@hidden> wrote:
> > Is there a list of elisp primitive functions defined in C somewhere ?
> > 
> > I was thinking that because of the sheer amount of functions in the elisp 
> > reference, it might be much easier to start programming with the primitives 
> > to understand how elisp works at its core, and then climb the ladder when 
> > need arises...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Jean-Christophe Helary
> > -----------------------------------------------
> > http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune