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Re: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers

From: 조성빈
Subject: Re: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 22:07:55 +0900

Po Lu <address@hidden> 작성:

조성빈 <address@hidden> writes:

I can’t understand why you’re so opposed to changing defaults. Defaults
matter, and I think that users who are already accustomed to Emacs will
have an easier time changing options. (Like adding `(vanilla-mode 1)`
to init.el.)

I oppose changing defaults, because I value my tools remaining stable.
Having to frequently adjust my user-emacs-directory to encompass the
latest fancy new idea is an unacceptable maintenance burden to me.

Then you can turn on ‘vanilla-mode’ on your init.el and call it a day.
‘vanilla-mode’ will be the current situation of Emacs - it will try to
be stable.

to mention in practice, those changes are going to be far larger than a
hypothetical `vanilla-mode'.

Why? If you’re fine with the current level of changes in Emacs, that would
be the level of changes in ‘vanilla-mode’.

Adding a variable that makes Emacs warn if it’s version number is
different from its value might work.

I'm not sure what you're talking about; Variables don't persist across
Emacs sessions.

I’m saying that one can add a variable like ‘expected-emacs-version’ and
when Emacs is loading init.el and ‘expected-emacs-version’ is different
from the current version, Emacs can warn you.

The features that are best discoverable are the ones that are default.

And since changing the defaults radically end up hurting existing users,

No, it doesn’t. Better defaults help users and allow them to lighten their

and also existing packages and potentially the existing ecosystem.  You
have to find a balance between that, and changing the defaults is not
the balance you want.

The balance I’m suggesting (actually ndame) is to add a ‘vanilla-mode’ for
people who value stability over features.

Defaults have to change for experienced users to adjust. And for them,
adjusting is an easy task, not something that takes a decade.

"For existing users to adjust" is not an excuse -- that puts an extra
burden on users.

No, it doesn’t - see previous comments.

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