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Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode
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Kévin Le Gouguec |
Subject: |
Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode |
Date: |
Mon, 27 Apr 2020 09:20:50 +0200 |
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Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) |
Drew Adams <address@hidden> writes:
>> > I don't think I will ever manage to remember any of
>> > the keybindings for the outline-(show|hide)-… functions,
>>
>> For this reason I implemented `reveal-mode` ;-)
>
> 1. FWIW, both Org Mode and Outline Mode offer
> all anyone needs to know about showing/hiding,
> navigating, etc. - in the menu-bar menus.
>
> I can't understand people lamenting an ability
> to remember key bindings. Especially veteran
> users - they should know how to ask Emacs.
>
> If you're in a mode you don't understand well,
> use `C-h m' or `C-h b'. If such help isn't
> good enough then we should improve it.
>
> And any veteran Emacs user should expect that
> an important or longstanding major mode probably
> also has one or more menu-bar menus, which can
> help with key bindings.
Yup, those (menus, C-h m, C-h b; in this specific case C-c C-h also
works nicely) are what I was referring to as "cheatsheets":
>> > I don't think I will ever manage to remember any of the
>> > keybindings for the outline-(show|hide)-… functions, which means
>> > I will never be able to use the "selective display" feature
>> > advertised in outline-mode's docstring without a cheatsheet.
The point being that yes, hopefully Emacs users can find their way to
a menu or a help buffer; but as org-mode shows we can aim for
something slightly more ergonomic.
If I have to whip these cheatsheets out every time I want to hide a
heading (which I used to do before I finally bound
outline-toggle-children to TAB), I might as well do away with
keybindings and just M-x outline-hide- TAB *squint* (or install
which-key and C-c *squint*).
> 2. It sounds like trivially adding TAB as a key
> for cycling among items in Outline mode would,
> regardless of what mode is used for NEWS, be a
> good idea. And such a lame argument shouldn't
> be put forward as a reason to switch to Org mode
> for NEWS. (I'm not saying anything here about
> which mode should be used for NEWS.)
Wholehearted agreement here.
- Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode, (continued)
Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode, H. Dieter Wilhelm, 2020/04/26
Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode, Alan Mackenzie, 2020/04/26
Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode, Kévin Le Gouguec, 2020/04/27
Reveal-mode (was: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode), Stefan Monnier, 2020/04/27
Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode, Alan Mackenzie, 2020/04/27
Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode, Kévin Le Gouguec, 2020/04/27
Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode, Juri Linkov, 2020/04/27
RE: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode, Drew Adams, 2020/04/27
Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode, John Yates, 2020/04/27
Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode, Richard Stallman, 2020/04/27