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RE: (emacs) Intro [was: Making Emacs popular again with a video]
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excalamus |
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RE: (emacs) Intro [was: Making Emacs popular again with a video] |
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Thu, 21 May 2020 20:18:32 +0200 (CEST) |
Resending in order to add to the public archives. Apologies for the extra
messages!
May 20, 2020, 12:58 by address@hidden:
>
> May 19, 2020, 13:26 by address@hidden:
>
>>> Is this something I should continue investing time in?
>>>
>>
>> IMO, yes, please do. Why not? It will be fun for
>> you (and us) anyway, regardless of the outcome.
>>
> I agree it's fun and I'm glad you've joined in! I meant as opposed to
> pursuing something like this: >
> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2019-12/msg00206.html
>
>
>> 1. Command, not just function.
>>
> Thank you for this! The difficulty with this section is separating the
> jargon from the expression of the idea. (The idea being, "each key calls a
> tiny program (or macro)". Macro is clearly jargon and extremely ambiguous at
> that (e.g. lisp macro, Excel VBA macro, C macro, keyboard macro, etc.).
> "Function" is more accurate, but also jargon. "Command" is a term I had not
> considered.
>
>
>> > What *defines* an Emacs? Is it "the Emacs idea", as I've called it, that
>> > each key press is
>> > transparently associated with a function?
>>
>> 2. Why do you say "transparently" here?
>>
> By transparent, I mean that it is easy for a user to see "the Emacs idea"
> (i.e. "each key calls a tiny program (or macro)"). The Idea is made
> transparent through C-h k:
>
> 1. C-h k <up> opens *Help* which states, "<up> runs a command which is a
> function"
> 2. There is a link to the function definition, previous-line
>
> That's what I mean by "transparent".
>
> The more it's discussed, I think it's the functionality of C-h is
> specifically what *defines*, in practical terms, an "Emacs". I think it
> would be helpful to explain this to non-programmers along with *why the Idea
> is important and powerful*. Other editors undoubtedly call a function when
> "<up>", or a button on the UI, is pressed; it's software, so it has to work
> that way at some level. However, an "Emacs" grants users visibility and
> access behind the curtains. Aside from this transparency existing, I don't
> think it's necessarily seen as a virtue. On the contrary, I think it's
> viewed as irrelevant; the sentiment is "I don't care if I can disassemble my
> John Deere engine, I have seeds to plant right now. How does this help me do
> that?"
>
>
>
- Re: Making Emacs popular again with a video, (continued)
- Re: Making Emacs popular again with a video, Richard Stallman, 2020/05/12
- Re: Making Emacs popular again with a video, Andreas Röhler, 2020/05/13
- Re: Making Emacs popular again with a video, Stefan Kangas, 2020/05/13
- RE: Making Emacs popular again with a video, Drew Adams, 2020/05/13
- (emacs) Intro [was: Making Emacs popular again with a video], excalamus, 2020/05/13
- Re: (emacs) Intro [was: Making Emacs popular again with a video], Dmitry Gutov, 2020/05/14
- Re: (emacs) Intro [was: Making Emacs popular again with a video], excalamus, 2020/05/14
- Re: (emacs) Intro [was: Making Emacs popular again with a video], Dmitry Gutov, 2020/05/14
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- Re: (emacs) Intro [was: Making Emacs popular again with a video], excalamus, 2020/05/17
- Re: (emacs) Intro [was: Making Emacs popular again with a video], excalamus, 2020/05/19
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- RE: (emacs) Intro [was: Making Emacs popular again with a video], excalamus, 2020/05/27
- Re: (emacs) Intro [was: Making Emacs popular again with a video], Eli Zaretskii, 2020/05/28
- Re: (emacs) Intro [was: Making Emacs popular again with a video], Andreas Röhler, 2020/05/28
- RE: (emacs) Intro [was: Making Emacs popular again with a video], Stefan Kangas, 2020/05/28
- RE: (emacs) Intro [was: Making Emacs popular again with a video], excalamus, 2020/05/28
- Re: (emacs) Intro [was: Making Emacs popular again with a video], Eli Zaretskii, 2020/05/29
- RE: (emacs) Intro [was: Making Emacs popular again with a video], Stefan Kangas, 2020/05/29
- Re: (emacs) Intro [was: Making Emacs popular again with a video], Stefan Monnier, 2020/05/29
- Re: (emacs) Intro [was: Making Emacs popular again with a video], Richard Stallman, 2020/05/29
- Re: (emacs) Intro [was: Making Emacs popular again with a video], Karl Fogel, 2020/05/14