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Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs

From: Dmitry Gutov
Subject: Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 15:15:22 +0300
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On 03.06.2020 07:24, Richard Stallman wrote:
Today I came across a message remaining from May 11 and concluded I had
better respond to it.  I regret taking so long.

   > >    > Right. And I'll posit that including s.el into GNU ELPA, by itself, 
   > >    > not hurt any of these three goals.
   > >
   > > It would mess up the naming in GNU Emacs, making two incongruous
   > > systems.

   > Not in GNU Emacs, though.

Yes, in GNU Emacs.  If we have s.el in GNU ELPA under current
conditions, that will put the s- namespace of GNU Emacs outside our
control.  (Indeed, someone claimed it is already de facto outside our

That "someone" was me as well.

It is a big problem that other people, without even consulting us, can
take major parts of the Emacs Lisp namespace away from us.

Maybe we can correct this general problem in a general way with a
system of namespaces.  I hope so.  But denying the problem is not
solving it.

I agree it's a problem, but my (and not only mine) point was that adding the package to ELPA won't really change anything in this regard.

A namespace system would be a welcome change, of course.

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