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Re: Changes for emacs 28

From: Ergus
Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 18:34:18 +0200

On Sun, Sep 06, 2020 at 05:44:40PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 15:37:19 +0200
From: Ergus <spacibba@aol.com>

As 27 has just been released I think it is time to start considering
changes for the release 28.

We don't normally "consider changes for the next release", we just
wait until there're enough new features and/or enough time since the
previous major release, and go with what we have at that point.  Since
we are not a company with hierarchy and management, we have no real
way of telling someone what to do and when.

So I suggest a separate discussion for each feature/change you'd like
to see happening.  Then whatever decision we will make about each one,
will be in Emacs 28.


Hi Eli:

I just mentioned some default changes that will not require almost any
extra implementation and functionalities that have already been there
for many years. I am just thinking in the first impression for new

The reaction has been as expected but I needed to mention them just to
see which ones could or couldn't be at least considered. So I don't
waste time with the others.

Sorry but I can't understand why "old" users, that can write lisp lines
easily to their configs, can't understand that for new users (and
younger ones) those lines sometimes takes hours or days (mainly because
they don't know what/where/how to look for, and lisp is not so
popular or familiar these days). And that the first impression when they
open emacs is like going back to 1998.
I know that ideally the users should read the documentation, learn lisp,
pass the tutorial and so on... but in real live if the first impression
is not good we just scare away them before they discover the power of
emacs. Mainly because there are many alternatives easier to start with.

It is just my opinion.
I won't insist on this anymore.


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